[Lemmy]

stemmer stemmer:

Now let me get this straight... You whine that none of your GM cars lasted long yet in another thread you tell me you presently own a 1986 or 87 Buick Grand National. That's a 20+ year old GM product...

Sure, I love my GN. That doesn't mean it hasn't been an expensive vehicle to own. It's only "lasted" because I've put $1000s of dollars into it. And it's only got 60K km on it.

stemmer stemmer:

Now do you really believe any of your current Toyota vehicles will still be in your possession in 20 years time?

Not likely. But WHILE I own them, I know I won't have to put any money into them. The only thing any of my Toyotas has ever needed is fresh oil.

I think the mods should make one specific merged-thread called "Stemmer's anti-Toyota Bullshit" and dump all of your current and future Toyota-based ramblings into one neat package. How many anti-Toyota threads are you feeding right now?

[stemmer]

Ok...I know you're being honest in your post... I accept that.. But to be honest my experience has been the opposite of that...

The Toyotas I owned were very expensive to maintain, for example an alternator or starter for a Celica or Landcruiser was at least twice the price of the same part for a domestic. Which was odd as the in-line 6 used in the Landcruiser was based upon blueprints for the old Chevy Blue Flame 6 (used in early Corvettes)...

[commanderkai]

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commanderkai

$1:

I wonder how bad it would be if my upper management father and the rest of us was still living in Blue collar southern Whitby after this closing...sheesh. (He works at GMAC, but I bet the distinction wouldn't be made)

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To think somebody accused me of working for Toyota

GMAC is separate from General Motors, as done by the US government. I never denied I have family working at GMAC, though they're certainly not in unions nor have they been involved in car production, ever.

Edit: Hilariously enough, I was right too. "The distinction won't be made". Although I was speaking in hypotheticals over union employees being angry at management (because the Canadian office for GM wasn't that far away), it seems the distinction won't be made between General Motors and the newly separated GMAC. Also, I don't recall saying you were working at Toyota, but meh.

[commanderkai]

Lemmy Lemmy:

You bet, the reason I won't buy a domestic now is that I've been burned a dozen times. Maybe the domestics make better cars now, I don't know. I don't care. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

At least you're honest about it.

$1:

All I'm saying is this: Toyota's current problem is a MINOR problem, occurring RARELY and remedied EASILY. Toyota recognized the problem and fixed it.

But this is where you're wrong. They thought the solution was easy, with the "floormat" issue. It was some simple fix. They were wrong. The sudden, unintended acceleration did not stop with said floor mat fix, and now they're getting more heat for it. They didn't fix, or rather, they attempted to put off the problem when these cases first came to fruition 2 years ago, and now they're paying a price for focusing their "fixes" on replacing door mats, and not searching for other solutions.

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And took shit for that. The cars are still good. I don't understand why people are criticizing Toyota for discovering a problem and fixing it, with no cost or inconvenience to its customers. What SHOULD they have done differently?

*Cough* They didn't fix the problem. You seem to be stuck in 2008 when their floor mat solution came into existence, and after two years of more unintended accelerations by their vehicles. What they should have done differently is find the right solution, not just the easiest, and most bullshit one. People have died from their attempts on pinning this on the floor mats, and blaming the consumer for your own faulty product will just get you burned, like Toyota is right now.

[Lemmy]

commanderkai commanderkai:

They thought the solution was easy, with the "floormat" issue. It was some simple fix. They were wrong. The sudden, unintended acceleration did not stop with said floor mat fix, and now they're getting more heat for it. They didn't fix, or rather, they attempted to put off the problem when these cases first came to fruition 2 years ago, and now they're paying a price for focusing their "fixes" on replacing door mats, and not searching for other solutions.

Initially they thought is was a floormat problem because this is an EXTREMELY RARE MALFUNCTION. They presumed that if it was something different, there'd be more incidents. Now they've corrected the problem, even though it's an extremely rare malfunction that likely would never have affected 99.999% of the cars that were recalled.

commanderkai commanderkai:

*Cough* They didn't fix the problem.

Initially, now they have. There weren't enough malfunctions to have the data to figure out what the problem was.

commanderkai commanderkai:

You seem to be stuck in 2008 when their floor mat solution came into existence, and after two years of more unintended accelerations by their vehicles. What they should have done differently is find the right solution, not just the easiest, and most bullshit one. People have died from their attempts on pinning this on the floor mats, and blaming the consumer for your own faulty product will just get you burned, like Toyota is right now.

No, you're the one stuck in the past...in 2009. It's 2010 now and the problem is solved, with no cost or inconvenience to 99.999% of owners of these models. Yes, 34 people have died. Some maybe from an accelerator problem. Some maybe from a floor mat problem. Some likely from driver error. We'll never know for sure.

[stemmer]

No offense Lemmy but then why are they now recalling cars in 2010?

[Lemmy]

stemmer stemmer:

No offense Lemmy but then why are they now recalling cars in 2010?

Uhhhh, to make sure the pedals don't stick. Isn't that what this whole thing is about?

[stemmer]

OK...sorry but I thought you were suggesting all the cars were now fixed...

Cheers