[EyeBrock]

I think a lot of hot air has been expelled on both sides on this one.

Really it boils down to this for me. In Canada we should be able to protect our citizens caught up in legal problems in other countries. But we should also be able to diferentiate between Canadian citizens in good standing (by that I mean not criminals and citizens that have some residency in our country) and wankers who live in an Al Queda compound and join an insurgency against our allies and our own forces.

I've been called a 'Khadr hater'. Well I'm not a Khadr lover.

I'm for citizenship meaning something. I'm not for all these 'plastic Canadians' coming over here to have a few kids and get a nice passport while they carry on bombing people where they came from or living in Beirut for years at a time then calling for Canada to come and rescue them from the country they fled as refugees but now have two houses there and a business.

Being able to say that stuff in an open forum would garner me the label of 'racist' from some of you. I'm not. I believe we have a duty and a right to challenge this bullshite. I think JFK said it best.

"Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country."

What have the Khadr's ever done for Canada? What have the other plastic Canadians ever done for Canada? They just take and give nothing back.

Nothing.

So why the fuck should we do anything for them?

[Lemmy]

Maybe we should call them "Plastique Canadians".

I feel bad for Khadr. He's in a shitty place and his idiot parents are partly to blame for it. I also feel bad for kids who grow up in the projects and end up as crack-dealing, gun-toting gangstas. But some things are just too serious to listen to mitigating circumstances. The aggravating factors just overwhelm. Being a terrorist (or gangster) is simply something that you just don't get a pass for, regardless of circumstances. Sorry, it's cold and harsh, but fuck him and his whole fucking family.

[Curtman]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

What have the Khadr's ever done for Canada? What have the other plastic Canadians ever done for Canada? They just take and give nothing back.

Nothing.

So why the fuck should we do anything for them?

So why the fuck should we do anything for Haiti? Israel? Afghanistan? Because sometimes we do what is right, not what is profitable.

[Scape]

I'm not convinced we should do anything for anyone outside our own boarders as a matter of policy. As for Canadian citizens in good standing how do we define that again? As it stands for Omar, he has not been charged so does that make him a good boy? He's being held as a POW as an enemy combatant but it appears that he may not be the one that threw the gernade in the 1st place and there was sufficient doubt that the minor knows the location of Bin Laden so why is he being held again? Oh right, we can't ask that national security and all that. This kid may or may not have been a terrorist before but he is now isn't he? The sad thing is we had a hand in that.

[EyeBrock]

Curtman Curtman:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

What have the Khadr's ever done for Canada? What have the other plastic Canadians ever done for Canada? They just take and give nothing back.

Nothing.

So why the fuck should we do anything for them?

So why the fuck should we do anything for Haiti? Israel? Afghanistan? Because sometimes we do what is right, not what is profitable.

I was on a famine relief in Ethiopia for a year. I know about doing the right thing.
Waxing lyrical about Khadr isn't anywhere close to doing the right thing. It's doing the politically correct thing and ignoring what is right.

[gonavy47]

Helping Khadr is like hugging a suicide bomber...be my guest.

[Freakinoldguy]

Curtman Curtman:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

What have the Khadr's ever done for Canada? What have the other plastic Canadians ever done for Canada? They just take and give nothing back.

Nothing.

So why the fuck should we do anything for them?

So why the fuck should we do anything for Haiti? Israel? Afghanistan? Because sometimes we do what is right, not what is profitable.

What's right is matter of personal opinion. So, despite yours, alot of other Canadians believe leaving him in American custody to face trial is actually the right thing to do in this case.

[Scape]

Except we would be fooling ourselves if we thought a trial was even in the works.

[Freakinoldguy]

I guess we'll just have to wait and see.


http://www.canada.com/news/Khadr+trial+ ... story.html

[Scape]

gonavy47 gonavy47:

Helping Khadr is like hugging a suicide bomber...be my guest.

Imagine if you were 15 and in Omar's situation. What would you have done different? If Omar was the shoe bomber or the rich son who choose to be the underwear bomber do you really think anyone would care for his fate? They had a choice, he didn't.

[Scape]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

I guess we'll just have to wait and see.


http://www.canada.com/news/Khadr+trial+ ... story.html

A court where he will not be able to face his accusers or demand to see the evidence is a kangaroo court and a mockery of justice, not a trial by any stretch of the imagination.

[Freakinoldguy]

Scape Scape:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

I guess we'll just have to wait and see.


http://www.canada.com/news/Khadr+trial+ ... story.html

A court where he will not be able to face his accusers or demand to see the evidence is a kangaroo court and a mockery of justice, not a trial by any stretch of the imagination.

$1:

As such, there remains every indication Khadr could still be tried in one of Guantanamo's two military-commission courtrooms despite President Barack Obama's pledge to shut the detention camps within a year.

Could isn't a guarantee that it will happen that way and anyway, since the Big O has said he'd shut down Gitmo within a year all Omar has to do is stall till it happens, since we all know that every other election promise Obama made has happened.

So your statement is just as much conjecture as mine, when I say he'll get a fair trial.

[Scape]

This is a 7 year old open wound. Even the Japanese and German POW's were not held that long. Only the communists held them longer and we seem to have adopted a lot of thier traits as well.

[SprCForr]

But as POW's they were going to be held until the end. Since Khadr and his ilk have managed to secure status as POW's, they should too.

[Freakinoldguy]

If Khadr is actually a POW like alot of people claim, then I'm inclined to agree with SprCForr about how long he should be held.

Nowhere in the Convention relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War. Geneva, 27 July 1929, does it say prisoners of war are entitled to a speedy trial.

So I think if they want to get him out of jail they should come up with some new strategies, since child soldier and POW aren't gonna work for him.