[Brenda]

Proculation Proculation:

I didn't say "#1 best employer", I said "#1 employer", it employs the most people in the world.

Read before you rant.

Wrong. Indian Railways is. 1.4 million as opposed to #2, Walmart, 1.2 million.

[commanderkai]

Brenda Brenda:

Proculation Proculation:

I didn't say "#1 best employer", I said "#1 employer", it employs the most people in the world.

Read before you rant.

Wrong. Indian Railways is. 1.4 million as opposed to #2, Walmart, 1.2 million.

Trying to find out which one it is, I finally found that Walmart is the largest private employer. Statistics can be so complicated. Lol

[bootlegga]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

It begs the question. What stopped him from taking out his own life insurance? Isn't it a personal responsiblity to do this? My employer doesn't give me free insurance. I have my own.

Well then, no offence, but you have a shitty benefits plan. It's usually nowhere close to what it the survivors need to replace the lost income, but there should be at least some small policy. Every benefit plan I've ever had always had some sort of life insurance. Even the lousy one at my last job provided a small policy for double my income.

[Brenda]

commanderkai commanderkai:

Brenda Brenda:

Proculation Proculation:

I didn't say "#1 best employer", I said "#1 employer", it employs the most people in the world.

Read before you rant.

Wrong. Indian Railways is. 1.4 million as opposed to #2, Walmart, 1.2 million.

Trying to find out which one it is, I finally found that Walmart is the largest private employer. Statistics can be so complicated. Lol

Hehehe, but he didn't say that

You're right tho, but that was not the claim made

[Zipperfish]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

I owned a business, and quite frankly, it WAS my God given right to do whatever I wanted with it, as long as it was legal. If I wanted to shut it down then that was MY perogative, not some judge's. But I guess as soon as a union is formed, then MY rights a business owner should be subjucated to the union? Tell me Jeff, why should someone that has invested THEIR time and THEIR money, be told how they will operate their business by a bunch of morons that have contributed NOTHING to it?

Exactly. And it's because of attitudes like that that unions exist. Why should you, as a business owner, be told what to do? Well, maybe you should do a little research and see what life was like during the Industrial revolution before unions. When you could go to jail for trying to quit your job. When they worked kids in the coal mines until they dropped dead.

Sure--it was a banner time to be business owner back then. They really DID have the god given right to do whatever they wanted with their business. And they used every bit of it.

Then the unions came along. At first labour organizers were beaten or killed by government agents or company-hired goons. But still they came, and the government eventually realized they would have to reckon with the unions.

[Brenda]

That still doesn't mean you have to allow unions. If you want to work for a unionized company, be my guest. But not every company HAS to be unionized. There are government laws and regulations for the working people. Every businessowner has to abide by them.

[CanadianJeff]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Canadian Jeff Canadian Jeff:

You'll forgive me when I say it's bullshit that these judges think it's some corporations god given right to shut doors whenever they want because they have failed to make peace with their employees

Soooo what you are saying then is, when a PRIVATE business wishes to shut its doors it needs court permission?

I owned a business, and quite frankly, it WAS my God given right to do whatever I wanted with it, as long as it was legal. If I wanted to shut it down then that was MY perogative, not some judge's. But I guess as soon as a union is formed, then MY rights a business owner should be subjucated to the union? Tell me Jeff, why should someone that has invested THEIR time and THEIR money, be told how they will operate their business by a bunch of morons that have contributed NOTHING to it?

I am so sick of unions trying to enforce their will on who can do business in Canada and HOW they will do business. They scream that intimidation is being used in places where the unions are being kept out, then use the same tactics to try and force their way in.

Let me cite you an example. There was a little factory just outside of Windsor ON. The CAW had been trying to get in there for years. The CAW then started screaming about how the company was using intimidation tactics on the employees to keep the union out. Now, I knew several people that worked there. Wanna know the "intimidation" that was used? The company paid their workers a MORE than fair wage, gave them benefits equal to what the CAW gets for it's sheep, and every 6 weeks, they got the Friday afternoon off..WITH PAY. There was only one catch, they had to stay for the barbeque. Sooo, the CAW's claim of unfair tactics was total bullshit, although they were quite vocal and public about it. Apparently it's unfair to treat your employees well enough to keep the union out!

This story with Wal-Mart is a testament to me about how unions still think that THEY can dictate how business will be done in Canada.

If businesses started treating their employees like the factory then by all means I"m there 110% in regards to my wanting to do business with that company. I appreciate and go out of my way to do business with places that follow the same values I do.

Also your business I'm wagering was not doing over 10 billion dollars each year in profit and employing 1.4 million people. When your doing that kind of profit I don't think it's unrealistic for employees to think that they deserve a livable wage.

Frankly I don't see you as the kind of person who would pay people less then they need to live. You'll forgive me when I say that businesses like yours are not the problem at all they are the example of what to do.

It's companies that pay rock bottom wages, use 3rd world labor and deliver second rate quality like Wal-Mart that shouldn't be too amazed when someone sues.

[EyeBrock]

bootlegga bootlegga:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

It begs the question. What stopped him from taking out his own life insurance? Isn't it a personal responsiblity to do this? My employer doesn't give me free insurance. I have my own.

Well then, no offence, but you have a shitty benefits plan. It's usually nowhere close to what it the survivors need to replace the lost income, but there should be at least some small policy. Every benefit plan I've ever had always had some sort of life insurance. Even the lousy one at my last job provided a small policy for double my income.

I think the risk is higher for my job than a Wal Mart job maybe?

[Proculation]

Brenda Brenda:

Proculation Proculation:

I didn't say "#1 best employer", I said "#1 employer", it employs the most people in the world.

Read before you rant.

Wrong. Indian Railways is. 1.4 million as opposed to #2, Walmart, 1.2 million.

Sorry, i forgot "private". Else, socialist countries could say they are the largest employer since everyone is hired by the state

[Proculation]

Unions were created to protect the workers from company abuse to give them fair treatments and to protect the low qualified from being wrongly fired.

Unions are great where low qualified workers can be easily remplaced. That would fit Wal Mart. The problem is that every half decent state has labour laws. I know in Quebec they can't fire you after 3 months for no reason. So a union is redundant. They can also be good where skills are not paid what they worth. In shops or things like that.

But now, most unions are only there for the money. They want membership to get more money with the fees. That and to inflate the real price of a low qualified worker. Why should a low qualified and unionized worker earn more than someone with education, in certain case ? That's non sense. Wal Mart jobs are not qualified jobs. They do no deserve 20$/h just because there are pressure from the union. If the union were only there to protect the workers from abuse/wrongful firing, no problem. But that's not the case. They are there to inflate pays.

[Brenda]

Proculation Proculation:

Brenda Brenda:

Proculation Proculation:

I didn't say "#1 best employer", I said "#1 employer", it employs the most people in the world.

Read before you rant.

Wrong. Indian Railways is. 1.4 million as opposed to #2, Walmart, 1.2 million.

Sorry, i forgot "private". Else, socialist countries could say they are the largest employer since everyone is hired by the state

Once again, China wins!

[Brenda]

Proculation Proculation:

Unions were created to protect the workers from company abuse to give them fair treatments and to protect the low qualified from being wrongly fired.

Unions are great where low qualified workers can be easily remplaced. That would fit Wal Mart. The problem is that every half decent state has labour laws. I know in Quebec they can't fire you after 3 months for no reason. So a union is redundant. They can also be good where skills are not paid what they worth. In shops or things like that.

But now, most unions are only there for the money. They want membership to get more money with the fees. That and to inflate the real price of a low qualified worker. Why should a low qualified and unionized worker earn more than someone with education, in certain case ? That's non sense. Wal Mart jobs are not qualified jobs. They do no deserve 20$/h just because there are pressure from the union. If the union were only there to protect the workers from abuse/wrongful firing, no problem. But that's not the case. They are there to inflate pays.

Exactly.

[ASLplease]

It was a smart decision to close down, they are too f#cking stupid to compete with other large retailers that are unionized.

The big wigs in the US would have egg on their face as soon as the world realizes that the walmart business model doesn't work on a level playing field.

[EyeBrock]

ASLplease ASLplease:

It was a smart decision to close down, they are too f#cking stupid to compete with other large retailers that are unionized.

The big wigs in the US would have egg on their face as soon as the world realizes that the walmart business model doesn't work on a level playing field.

Seems to be doing rather well regardless of the grade of the football pitch.

[BartSimpson]

Fuck Wal Mart. I don't shop there, ever. This is just another reason why.