[DerbyX]

ridenrain ridenrain:

I don't ever recall a drug shooting spree this bad before in Vancouver. Isn't the Murder rate in Toronto at an all time high too?

2005 was supposed to be the worst with 80 murders but 2007 beat that with 84.

So crime is increasing under the steady hand of Harper.

[ridenrain]

Under the lax Liberal drug laws that let the gangs florish.

[DerbyX]

Funny that crime was lower under Liberal years eh?

How about Harpers claim to eliminate the deficit (2 years later then he said a few months ago) without a tax increase.

17 pages of bitching when Iggy said it. I guess Harper pulled off a Harry Potter duel and won the tax elder wand from Iggy.

[BeaverFever]

ridenrain ridenrain:

All the people shot or involved in the shootings in Vancouver's latest drug war were on bail or on probation for gun related crimes. If those people were in jail, they wouldn't have been out shooting people.

The registry did nothing but manditory sentances would have stopped these people from comitting those shootings.

You wanted low taxes, that means clogged courts, fewer prosecutors and crowded prisons. Rather than adequately fund our justice system, your dogmatic adherence to the gospel of Tax Cuts at All Costs solution is to clog the prisons even more and undermine the constitutional right to a speedy trial.

You cant have it both ways buddy. I would support a reduction in the credit given for pre-trial custody IF there were enough judges, prosecutors and courtrooms to get people to trial faster. As it is currently, they get out on bail because the delay in having their trial is unreasonable or if they are held, they get 2x as an incentive for the crown the get off their ass.

I DO however think the most important reform that could be made soon would be to encourage greater discretion among judges. Judges should consider the crime, the accuseds history, and the tactics being used by the legal defence when considering when they should apply it or not in a specific case. MANDATING that the judges either always or never apply the time served credit is not responsible, not good policy or good legal practice.

[ridenrain]

Maybe it could be the fact that Libs under Chretien/Martin ignored inferstructure and the justice system for the 13 years, and attemped to hide that by forcing an "anything but jail" policy.
It's not like the justice system suddenly changed in less than 4 years.

[DerbyX]

ridenrain ridenrain:

Maybe it could be the fact that Libs under Chretien/Martin ignored inferstructure and the justice system for the 13 years, and attemped to hide that by forcing an "anything but jail" policy.
It's not like the justice system suddenly changed in less than 4 years.

Sure. Its never the fault of the Cons eh?

[gonavy47]

DerbyX DerbyX:

ridenrain ridenrain:

Maybe it could be the fact that Libs under Chretien/Martin ignored inferstructure and the justice system for the 13 years, and attemped to hide that by forcing an "anything but jail" policy.
It's not like the justice system suddenly changed in less than 4 years.

Sure. Its never the fault of the Cons eh?

Every time the conservatives try to fix the system, they are held up by the libs.

[Lemmy]

gonavy47 gonavy47:

Every time the conservatives try to fix the system, they are held up by the libs.

But that's why people don't support the Conservatives...trying isn't enough.

[OldChum]

Both of these parties have ignored justice for two long , to busy listening to the polls and the hug me generation .

[DerbyX]

gonavy47 gonavy47:

DerbyX DerbyX:

ridenrain ridenrain:

Maybe it could be the fact that Libs under Chretien/Martin ignored inferstructure and the justice system for the 13 years, and attemped to hide that by forcing an "anything but jail" policy.
It's not like the justice system suddenly changed in less than 4 years.

Sure. Its never the fault of the Cons eh?

Every time the conservatives try to fix the system, they are held up by the libs.

Its too bad that all the cons do is make things worse.

[OldChum]

Vic Toews said he would fix this way back when on my front lawn during an election and it is finaly getting done , Better late then never but it is not what he told me he would do .

[gonavy47]

[quote=You can whine all you want but trying to link crime stats to the Liberals is a lie at best.

Your daughter had her car stolen 3 weeks ago?

Well that's clearly the fault of Harper and the CPC. Under the Liberals they would have had jobs and not needed to resort to stealing cars. [/quote]

Thanks for laughing at my family's plight. Must be wonderful being that arrogant that you can make fun of crime victims. It's not a lie to link crime stats to the liberals, it's a legacy!

[OldChum]

I feel for you but the system in place has been supported by all parties , and the public of Canada for many years. The feel good give them a chance have ruled the polls for to long .

[DerbyX]

gonavy47 gonavy47:

Thanks for laughing at my family's plight. Must be wonderful being that arrogant that you can make fun of crime victims. It's not a lie to link crime stats to the liberals, it's a legacy!

You brought it up and you did it deliberately to make a cheap partisan point. Next time don't do that.

You have no evidence or reasonable argument to link crime to the Libs. It was higher in the 80s yet that's not the PC fault. Its not the fault of a con government when crime goes up under their watch but it is when the Libs are in charge.

Post some actual evidence to support your conclusion otherwise its just partisan nonsense.

[herbie]

Gee Beav, I wonder if there might be some tie-in between the 'right to speedy trial' and these two-for-one credits?
Setting up for whining over the number of plea bargains and outright dismissals down the road for yet another Tory crime bill?