[DerbyX]

Choban Choban:

Personally I don't care what they leagalize, I don't do pharmacuticals as recreational drugs. People can spout their basis at us for why it's not harmful of what ever, tell me that after one of your friends dies from using EX and see if you feel the same.

The same can be said over any activity with the same result. Drinking, speeding, etc.

Alcohol has destroyed many lives and many families. When it does people often do just that and decide to rid their life of it. More power to em.

[Choban]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Choban Choban:

Personally I don't care what they leagalize, I don't do pharmacuticals as recreational drugs. People can spout their basis at us for why it's not harmful of what ever, tell me that after one of your friends dies from using EX and see if you feel the same.

The same can be said over any activity with the same result. Drinking, speeding, etc.

Alcohol has destroyed many lives and many families. When it does people often do just that and decide to rid their life of it. More power to em.

Agreed, that's why I don't drink to excess, I don't drink and drive and I'm a responsable drinker, the same holds true when I smoke pot. I just don't see anyone being able to responsably use Ecstasy.

Don't get me wrong folks, I'm all for personal choice. I don't really care if they leagalize it, I was just stating some of the dangers involved and arguing the fact that leagalization is not always the best option.

[DerbyX]

Choban Choban:

Agreed, that's why I don't drink to excess, I don't drink and drive and I'm a responsable drinker, the same holds true when I smoke pot. I just don't see anyone being able to responsably use Ecstasy.

Don't get me wrong folks, I'm all for personal choice. I don't really care if they leagalize it, I was just stating some of the dangers involved and arguing the fact that leagalization is not always the best option.

I saw plenty of responsible use including myself. It was a popular drug among university students (pot being#1 though) and we are all responsible working adults. Most have families as well and likely most if not all don't use anymore. Hell they'll likely tell their kids not to do it and their kids will likely ignore them just as their parents did.

[Choban]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Choban Choban:

Agreed, that's why I don't drink to excess, I don't drink and drive and I'm a responsable drinker, the same holds true when I smoke pot. I just don't see anyone being able to responsably use Ecstasy.

Don't get me wrong folks, I'm all for personal choice. I don't really care if they leagalize it, I was just stating some of the dangers involved and arguing the fact that leagalization is not always the best option.

I saw plenty of responsible use including myself. It was a popular drug among university students (pot being#1 though) and we are all responsible working adults. Most have families as well and likely most if not all don't use anymore. Hell they'll likely tell their kids not to do it and their kids will likely ignore them just as their parents did.

I guess you and those you went to school with were just plain lucky, 1 hit of bad Ex from a trusted source killed my friend. We had used before and no problems, you could say we used responsably but it didn't ssave his life. I'm dropping out of this conversation, it's too emotional for me now, the it won't happen to me attitude is plain wrong, we all though it as teenagers, I've lived and learned. I just hope some other kid doesn't have to lose a friend to learn the same lesson.

[commanderkai]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Good arguments. As an aside, are you aware that Revenue Canada DOES collect income tax from drug traffickers? If they report their income, the tax office is perfectly happy. They don't care whether the source of income is legal or not.

Okay. See that's hypocritical. I'm sure the drug traffickers say they have a legit business, but yeah, now I see the hypocrisy of the government.

[romanP]

commanderkai commanderkai:

The fact you believe that exporting crystal meth, or ecstasy to nations that have the products banned, but also that the product is banned here in Canada, shows how lax our Customs and police forces are in this country. This is a blight, and not some mark of pride.

I think it shows the police are doing their job. There are far more important things for us to be worried about crossing our borders than a bunch of drugs.

[romanP]

Choban Choban:

Proculation Proculation:

Choban Choban:

Given what goes into ecstasy to manufacture it I would say make it an automatic attempted murder charge for amyone caught manufacturing it, same for meth, lsd and anything else that the cops have to wear enviroment suits when disassembeling a lab.
Leagalization of Marijuana is one thing, ecstasy kills people, I've seen it happen.

Tylenols kill too.

Other than T3 or T4 people don't use tylenol as a recreational drug, and the codine based Tylenols are supposed to be prescription medication so...

You can get Tylenol with codeine over the counter. You just have to ask for it.

[romanP]

Choban Choban:

Proculation Proculation:

It's just to say that because something can kill, it doesn't mean it's bad.

There are also drugs that do not kill at all that are illegal like LSD or shrooms.

LSD can cause phsycosis if used too much or in great quantities,

LSD doesn't cause psychosis based on how much or how often. LSD causes psychosis based on whether the user has a psychotic predisposition. Just one hit could cause a psychotic break with someone who is at risk of psychosis. There is no "unsafe" dose of LSD.

$1:

another drug I don't use, mostly made of rat poison these days anyway.

There is only one way to make LSD, and it does not include rat poison.

$1:

Shrooms contain poison as well, thats what gets you high, so despite saying they don't kill they still aren't somthing I'd put in my body.

There is no lethal dose of shrooms. It's a poison, but it's not one that will kill you. A high dose of psylocibin mushrooms will just have you flying out of your mind for eight hours.

[Brenda]

And out the window, off the bridge, off the roof of a hotel...
Which wouldn't be a problem, if you were actually able to fly (which is what you are trying...), but, shit happens, ya just never learned how to land.

SPLASH!!

[romanP]

ASLplease ASLplease:

codene makes a terrible rec drug. it'll constipate you.

So does heroin. But then, people who use opiates usually aren't doing anything recreational. It's more likely they're using these types of drugs to escape a shitty life.

[romanP]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Good arguments. As an aside, are you aware that Revenue Canada DOES collect income tax from drug traffickers? If they report their income, the tax office is perfectly happy. They don't care whether the source of income is legal or not.

They have to. It's not so much that they don't care, as it is that the information is private and it would be against the law for Revenue Canada to investigate.

[romanP]

Jesus fuck, learn how to use quotes!

Choban Choban:

romanP romanP:

Okay. Why do you think that? I haven't seen any reasoning behind this argument.

I think this because people will always go outof there way to get things for cheaper than what the government is selling it for, particularily as my example was with drugs like alcohol and tobacco, I see it being the same forleagal EX, Pot or whatever

If drugs that are currently illegal were made legal, they would not cost as much, undermining the dealers' market. Most of the cost of street drugs is in danger pay. If there is no danger in trafficking, the cost to sell the drug goes way down.

Choban Choban:

romanP romanP:

That's because the tax on cigarettes is too high. I'm pretty sure the government is busy slowly pushing toward prohibition of tobacco. First it's high taxes, then you're not allowed to see what you buy before you buy it, then they take away flavoured cigars, next thing you know it'll be illegal to smoke anywhere.

Do you not think that they would tax leagal drugs???? and that people would go to black market street lever dealers to get untaxed drugs???

Yes, they would tax legal drugs. Read what I said. The tax on cigarettes is higher than the market can stand, so other people will sell contraband cigarettes for less. The problem isn't tax, it's taxes that are too high.

Choban Choban:

romanP romanP:

There most certainly is. The more pure a drug is, the harder it is to move, and the more profitable it becomes.

Sorry, there no profit on a street level for pure drugs, sure suppliers sell pure but as it moves through middle men and dealers it becomes less pure

Less pure and thus less desirable. I can tell you right now that pure MDMA will cost a bit more than MDMA cut with speed because it's that much harder to get and that much harder to move. The whitest hash will cost you quite a substantial amount higher than the crappy hash someone made in their basement and mixed with motor oil and cat shit.

Choban Choban:

romanP romanP:

Drugs don't have instincts or cravings for blood. Discretion is very important when it comes to drug use. There is a reason you shouldn't buy drugs from any random person on the street, and it's because you really don't know what you're getting. I've only ever bought drugs from or through people I know who got them from a trusted source.

I agree with your discretion statement, if your buyinbg Ex from a friend thats fine with me, does your friend make it, can they prove to you it's pure, I highly doubt it. The hit that killed Brian was from a friend at our school that we had bought from many times weather it was pot Ex or hash, never had a problem with the Ex we got from him before, all it took was 1 bad hit from a trusted source, your argument rings hollow in my ears, you plainly put too much trust in your drug dealer

You can also test drugs before you take them, with a drug test kit.

But the truth is, anything could kill you that didn't kill you before. Even drinking a glass of water can be hazardous to your health. You could choke and die.

[Brenda]

romanP romanP:

ASLplease ASLplease:

codene makes a terrible rec drug. it'll constipate you.

So does heroin. But then, people who use opiates usually aren't doing anything recreational. It's more likely they're using these types of drugs to escape a shitty life.

Pun intented?

[Choban]

romanP romanP:

Jesus fuck, learn how to use quotes!

Choban Choban:

romanP romanP:

Okay. Why do you think that? I haven't seen any reasoning behind this argument.

I think this because people will always go outof there way to get things for cheaper than what the government is selling it for, particularily as my example was with drugs like alcohol and tobacco, I see it being the same forleagal EX, Pot or whatever

If drugs that are currently illegal were made legal, they would not cost as much, undermining the dealers' market. Most of the cost of street drugs is in danger pay. If there is no danger in trafficking, the cost to sell the drug goes way down.

Choban Choban:

romanP romanP:

That's because the tax on cigarettes is too high. I'm pretty sure the government is busy slowly pushing toward prohibition of tobacco. First it's high taxes, then you're not allowed to see what you buy before you buy it, then they take away flavoured cigars, next thing you know it'll be illegal to smoke anywhere.

Do you not think that they would tax leagal drugs???? and that people would go to black market street lever dealers to get untaxed drugs???

Yes, they would tax legal drugs. Read what I said. The tax on cigarettes is higher than the market can stand, so other people will sell contraband cigarettes for less. The problem isn't tax, it's taxes that are too high.

Choban Choban:

romanP romanP:

There most certainly is. The more pure a drug is, the harder it is to move, and the more profitable it becomes.

Sorry, there no profit on a street level for pure drugs, sure suppliers sell pure but as it moves through middle men and dealers it becomes less pure

Less pure and thus less desirable. I can tell you right now that pure MDMA will cost a bit more than MDMA cut with speed because it's that much harder to get and that much harder to move. The whitest hash will cost you quite a substantial amount higher than the crappy hash someone made in their basement and mixed with motor oil and cat shit.

Choban Choban:

romanP romanP:

Drugs don't have instincts or cravings for blood. Discretion is very important when it comes to drug use. There is a reason you shouldn't buy drugs from any random person on the street, and it's because you really don't know what you're getting. I've only ever bought drugs from or through people I know who got them from a trusted source.

I agree with your discretion statement, if your buyinbg Ex from a friend thats fine with me, does your friend make it, can they prove to you it's pure, I highly doubt it. The hit that killed Brian was from a friend at our school that we had bought from many times weather it was pot Ex or hash, never had a problem with the Ex we got from him before, all it took was 1 bad hit from a trusted source, your argument rings hollow in my ears, you plainly put too much trust in your drug dealer

You can also test drugs before you take them, with a drug test kit.

But the truth is, anything could kill you that didn't kill you before. Even drinking a glass of water can be hazardous to your health. You could choke and die.

Your obviously VERY knowlegable about recreational drugs, I don't indulge in anything these days that would require me to even have a "drug test kit". Having a DEAD FRIEND is enough to disuade me
If that's your forte then fine.
I should add, Jesus Fuck heres your quotes.

[romanP]

Choban Choban:

Personally I don't care what they leagalize, I don't do pharmacuticals as recreational drugs. People can spout their basis at us for why it's not harmful of what ever, tell me that after one of your friends dies from using EX and see if you feel the same.

If ecstasy were legal, the more likely it would be pure and therefore not deadly. What you friend took was probably cut with something it shouldn't have been cut with. It's an isolated incident, and an emotional appeal, neither of which are bases for how the law should be written.