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PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 12:34 pm
 


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He's a good guy. Not too many others on both sides of the house. Most are just total wankers that we would punch out if we met them in a pub.


I'd punch out any politician I met in a pub.

Shame Hillier isn't entering the political spectrum, he'd have mad support from in and outside of the CF. The average Canadian relates to the politically incorrect, badass Newfie, while everyone else caters to specific special interest groups and drag the rest of us along for the ride.


Agreed. I've just been reading Lew Mackenzie's book. He was a good troop too. The problem is that civvies don't like being told the truth. Why else would they vote for these self-serving liars?





PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 12:41 pm
 


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I find it interesting and rather ironic that there is somewhat of a debate in this thread about serving in the Canadian Forces and supporting one political party or another. Was it not for the freedom of being permitted to choose who governs one's country that our veterans paid the ultimate price for?

Personally, I feel that if one chooses to make the military their career it matters not who they vote for in an election, what matters is that they perform the job they are assigned to do under whatever direction they are given.


Exactly,Eye's starting to make it sound like an old boys club.
The vets I know dont bend to certain political partys and the older ones hate most politicians equally.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 12:41 pm
 


EyeBrock EyeBrock:
Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
He's a good guy. Not too many others on both sides of the house. Most are just total wankers that we would punch out if we met them in a pub.


I'd punch out any politician I met in a pub.

Shame Hillier isn't entering the political spectrum, he'd have mad support from in and outside of the CF. The average Canadian relates to the politically incorrect, badass Newfie, while everyone else caters to specific special interest groups and drag the rest of us along for the ride.


Agreed. I've just been reading Lew Mackenzie's book. He was a good troop too. The problem is that civvies don't like being told the truth. Why else would they vote for these self-serving liars?


I think that is a compelte and total lie in itself. The civvies want someone truthful and straightforward to vote for; but politics by it's very nature is a dog eat dog world. Anyone who doesn't step on other people and lie their way to the top, ends up being the one stepped on. The ones who are honest are lambasted for insulting or verbally attacking a group or position. This presents civilians with a hard choice of voting for the lesser evil, or a complete and total wanker (Dion).

It's hard to make yourself well known enough to be honest and garner attention that way without being shut out by the party first.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 1:06 pm
 


Hmm.. I started to notice there was going to be a arguement from page 1 and was thrilled to get into it however after reading all 5 pages I see no debate what so ever. Just a bunch of pissing contests. People quoting each other and argueing against whatever they said which has nothing to do with anything.





PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 1:09 pm
 


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Hmm.. I started to notice there was going to be a arguement from page 1 and was thrilled to get into it however after reading all 5 pages I see no debate what so ever. Just a bunch of pissing contests. People quoting each other and argueing against whatever they said which has nothing to do with anything.


Why did you post then?

The debate turned into political affiliations and the military,I thought it was going quite well.

I for one didnt know the majority of troops were Cons as pointed out to me.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 1:11 pm
 


ziggy ziggy:
Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:
Hmm.. I started to notice there was going to be a arguement from page 1 and was thrilled to get into it however after reading all 5 pages I see no debate what so ever. Just a bunch of pissing contests. People quoting each other and argueing against whatever they said which has nothing to do with anything.


Why did you post then?

The debate turned into political affiliations and the military,I thought it was going quite well.

I for one didnt know the majority of troops were Cons as pointed out to me.


I posted because this is a forums and that's what you are suppose to do?





PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 1:14 pm
 


Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:
ziggy ziggy:
Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:
Hmm.. I started to notice there was going to be a arguement from page 1 and was thrilled to get into it however after reading all 5 pages I see no debate what so ever. Just a bunch of pissing contests. People quoting each other and argueing against whatever they said which has nothing to do with anything.


Why did you post then?

The debate turned into political affiliations and the military,I thought it was going quite well.

I for one didnt know the majority of troops were Cons as pointed out to me.


I posted because this is a forums and that's what you are suppose to do?

Usually it helps to have or state a point related to the topic.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 1:19 pm
 


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I think we should remove the colon from the thread title.

Lemmy Lemmy:
I'm not sure that you speak for all of those folks.
Who's we?





PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 1:32 pm
 


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Communism is easy to hang onto when you work in a dangerous environment that requires a strong union to counter the unsafe work conditions brought on by the profiteers.

These folks had a different vision of Communism,alas greed finally won out.
This is the town I moved to in 1967 and have lived close to all my life.


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Master's Research - The "Communist" Administration of Blairmore, Alberta



November 1, 2007

FROM THE NOVEMBER 2007 LEGEND

At the height of the Great Depression, the coal-mining town of Blairmore, AB, elected the first “Red” local government in North America.

This little-known reality was the subject of Kyle Franz’s (MA ’07) master’s research. Under the direction of supervisor Dr. Sheila McManus (History), Franz produced his master’s dissertation, Painting the Town Red: The “Communist” Administration of Blairmore, Alberta, 1933-1936. Part of his thesis will be published in a collection of radical histories called Mobilizations, Protests and Engagements: Canadian Perspectives on Social Movements, expected from Fernwood Press in the spring of 2008.

Franz says that a combination of social, political and economic factors since 1924 resulted in an atmosphere where the townspeople thought it acceptable and practical to vote in a Red administration they felt could solve their problems. The community had experienced massive unemployment and poverty as a result of the coal-market collapse at the end of the First World War followed by continued economic hardship during the Depression.

“In Blairmore they said enough is enough, and the community took effective action by electing a government willing to initiate change,” says Franz.

The Red council took a very populist approach that benefited the working class. The council immediately increased business taxes, decreased taxes on working-class homes and reduced the cost of town-owned utilities.

All unused publicly owned land was available for cultivation so that townspeople could grow their own food. The town also renovated a dilapidated home to provide shelter for the homeless.

“For this council, relief was not only about the allocation of money, but also the opportunity to support oneself with dignity,” says Franz.

The council later renamed the main street Tim Buck Boulevard after the then-imprisoned leader of the Communist Party of Canada. In November 1934, it declared a school and civic holiday on the anniversary of the Russian Revolution.

Returned to power in 1935 by acclamation, the Red administration turned to a more ideological focus on Canadian and international labour struggles and its anti-war and anti-Fascist principles while still providing relief for residents.

Later that year several scandals tarnished the council’s reputation. As a result of public pressure in 1936 when the council was up for re-election, the Red councillors withdrew their nominations and were replaced by a compromise slate of both miners and business people.

Franz says this period in Blairmore’s history demonstrates the ability of the Canadian left to organize and mobilize at a time when it was illegal to be a Communist.

“This is one of very few success stories from the Depression,” says Franz. “Blairmore’s experience shows that a community, when motivated, can find innovative and pragmatic solutions to their problems.”

Franz will continue to explore the type of community that would elect a Communist town council while pursuing his doctoral studies at Queen’s University in Kingston, ON.

In recognition of his master’s research at the U of L, he was recently awarded a Canada Graduate Scholarship from the Social Sciences and Humanities Research Council and the Queen’s University Tri Council Award.




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For this council, relief was not only about the allocation of money, but also the opportunity to support oneself with dignity,”


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 2:57 pm
 


ziggy ziggy:
Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:
Hmm.. I started to notice there was going to be a arguement from page 1 and was thrilled to get into it however after reading all 5 pages I see no debate what so ever. Just a bunch of pissing contests. People quoting each other and argueing against whatever they said which has nothing to do with anything.


Why did you post then?

The debate turned into political affiliations and the military,I thought it was going quite well.

I for one didnt know the majority of troops were Cons as pointed out to me.


I'm not sure they are, actually. I think it's been forgotten that a good chunk of the military are the young who are also the least likely to vote. On my ship, I suspect there are very few who are affiliated to parties, most, of those who vote, are voting for platforms and policies.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 3:36 pm
 


ziggy ziggy:
Usually it helps to have or state a point related to the topic.


Right like everybody has been on topic thus far :roll:. A topic about Harper celebrating D-Day and everybody is either argueing with each other on replies that have nothing to do with that or replying on a conversation that has strayed far from what the article was about.





PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 3:40 pm
 


Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:
ziggy ziggy:
Usually it helps to have or state a point related to the topic.


Right like everybody has been on topic thus far :roll:. A topic about Harper celebrating D-Day and everybody is either argueing with each other on replies that have nothing to do with that or replying on a conversation that has strayed far from what the article was about.


Only one off topic I can see right now is you Bacardi.
You only posted to let us know how you felt about the topic,the topic never strayed untill you posted or maybe you didnt notice?


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 3:42 pm
 


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I think I speak for more of them than a pot smoking civvy does. No disrespect intended.


Ad hominem attacks are intentional disrespect.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 4:02 pm
 


Gunnair Gunnair:
ziggy ziggy:
Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:
Hmm.. I started to notice there was going to be a arguement from page 1 and was thrilled to get into it however after reading all 5 pages I see no debate what so ever. Just a bunch of pissing contests. People quoting each other and argueing against whatever they said which has nothing to do with anything.


Why did you post then?

The debate turned into political affiliations and the military,I thought it was going quite well.

I for one didnt know the majority of troops were Cons as pointed out to me.


I'm not sure they are, actually. I think it's been forgotten that a good chunk of the military are the young who are also the least likely to vote. On my ship, [b]I suspect there are very few who are affiliated to parties, most, of those who vote, are voting for platforms and policies[/b.


It's starting to look that way where I am at aswell. People arguing less about parties and more about platoforms and positions. To bad this country didn't hold more refferendums.





PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 4:15 pm
 


I hear ya C.M.

Everything seems to be about who can milk at the trough the longest as far as party's are concerned.

When did this practice become an acceptable thing to do in Canada?
All party's are guilty right now.

We should do like Alice Cooper said and start a wild party. :D


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