[Brenda]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

Brenda, appairently only 53% of Canadians can tell you the first line of O Canada.

So I believe in extreme action.

Obviously telling the students the lines to O Canada once in Grade 6 isn't
going to help this country.

Once? Who said once? I said in grade 6, all year, every week. But not from the day I turned 4, every day, till I was 18...


You need to learn how to spell though, I think that is pretty important too

[hwacker]

Brenda Brenda:

:lol: Funny...
Some schools never sing it... I don't hear anybody complain about that. Just now that this school quits singing it everyday, it is an issue...

Kinda... hypocritical, isn't it?

Oh, MrC, something else... indoctrination isn't entertaining, and the overreaction to this isn't either.

And really when did you "become" a Canadian?

[RUEZ]

Brenda Brenda:

:lol: Funny...
Some schools never sing it... I don't hear anybody complain about that. Just now that this school quits singing it everyday, it is an issue...

Kinda... hypocritical, isn't it?

Oh, MrC, something else... indoctrination isn't entertaining, and the overreaction to this isn't either.

No it's not hypocritical. The point is not that they don't sing it. THE POINT IS THAT SOMEONE FORCED THEM TO STOP SINGING IT.

[Brenda]

SigPig SigPig:

Brenda Brenda:

And you don't think people will grow sick and tired of it?

We learned the Wilhelmus (dutch anthem) in grade 6. ONLY grade 6. I still know the lyrics, I've never sung it daily.

Being proud of your country, or nationalism, shouldn't be forced by singing the anthem daily.

Pride should be taught by making history classes interesting, by making social studies interesting. Not by pushing an anthem through your throat everydday...

No people will not get sick and tired of it. I did not see anyone who was didn't want to "put up" with the anthem every morning.

You did it differently, only doing it in grade 6 is fine for you. In my opinion that runs the risk of people treating it like a requirement they need to get through. Just like any other assignment or test.

If that is how the Dutch have decided is best for them then please by all means. But, why is that now used as a reason for getting rid of it here in Canada? This isn't Holland or anywhere else and just because other countries do things differently is not necesarrily, in my eyes, a legitimate reason for change here.

IN CANADA, or just this school?

My kids go to school here... They don't hear or sing the anthem everyday.

[DerbyX]

RUEZ RUEZ:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Thats right. They aren't forcing them to sing but they also said they didn't force kids to recite the lords prayer (though I was) in principle.

The ideology is still the same. The religious prayer recitation people also said that "non-christians" were welcome to stand silently during recitation of the lords prayer.

That was not good enough. While I support the fact that we aren't all christian but we are all Canadian I still dislike forced patriotism.

There are better ways.

Nobody in my school was forced to do the lords prayer. There were a few Indian(from India) girls in my class and every day they went into the hallway when the lords prayer was said. Likewise anyone who doesn't want to sing o Canada could just sit there or go into the hallway. I personally would find that offensive but I'm big enough to understand that some people have different beliefs then me. What they are forcing people to do is not sing the anthem in class. Why should the majority be dictated to by the minority when accomodating the minority by making them leave would be just as easy?

Forced is very dependant. Like you I went through school at a time when the prayer was standard then optional then gone. I recall a few students who left the classroom everyday when I was in grade 5. I recall this because my teacher at the time had such strong and vile feelings for it. I can't recall why they left though. They might have been jewish or atheist.

The point still is though why force people?

[RUEZ]

DerbyX DerbyX:

The point still is though why force people?

Once again, the only forcing going on is the forced banishment of the singing of the anthem.

[SigPig]

Brenda Brenda:

IN CANADA, or just this school?

My kids go to school here... They don't hear or sing the anthem everyday.

Okay I was a bit unclear, please allow me to clarify.

In terms of this school I think that it should not be removed because I feel that singing the anthem everyday in school is important. Period.

As for the schools that don't have it played, this is the first that I have heard of it and was surprised about how widespread it is. From my experience I have never run into anyone who didn't have it played at their school so just assumed it was universal.

That being said I think that this is also wrong and that singing the anthem everyday should be done across the country. As I said, I have only known the anthem being played in this manner and have seen no negative effects whatsoever. If significance and importance is stressed properly by staff, then positive aspects can by gained from it. It only becomes a problem when it gets treated like an annoying span of 120seconds that interrupts the taking of attendance.

[Streaker]

SigPig SigPig:

Streaker Streaker:

SigPig SigPig:

How does singing the national anthem in school have ANYTHING to do with A-stan?

Nothing at all, but the reaction to this story here on this board is very telling.

Telling of what? That SOME of the people who support the anthem being sung also support the mission? What about the others?

I'll be honest here I can't tell where you are/were trying to go with this.

The short version would be that I don't give a damn one way or the other whether they sing O Canada every day at some school in New Brunswick, but I do find it interesting that those who are outraged by this are generally the same crowd who are pro-war, right-wing, racially intolerant etc... Yes, I'm painting in broad strokes, but that's essentially the way it is.

What makes this interesting is that there is attempt to intimidate and bully some guy into submission because of a decision he has made about the anthem. Is this the kind of Canada we're becoming? Are we adopting cheap, shallow, American-style expressions of (faux) patriotism?

The people who bitch about this are the same ones who go around labelling anyone against our involvement in A-stan as "Taliban supporters". This is yet another sign of intolerance and thuggery in action. It all constitutes a nightmarish vision of the kind of Canada we could become if good people remain silent.

[Brenda]

hwacker hwacker:

Brenda Brenda:

:lol: Funny...
Some schools never sing it... I don't hear anybody complain about that. Just now that this school quits singing it everyday, it is an issue...

Kinda... hypocritical, isn't it?

Oh, MrC, something else... indoctrination isn't entertaining, and the overreaction to this isn't either.

And really when did you "become" a Canadian?

What has my becoming Canadian has to do with anything?

It is not about a national ban on the anthem, is it? It is a school that just is not singing it on a daily basis anymore...

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[DerbyX]

RUEZ RUEZ:

DerbyX DerbyX:

The point still is though why force people?

Once again, the only forcing going on is the forced banishment of the singing of the anthem.

The same argument was made during the lords prayer debate. We weren't forcing people to recite the prayer but we were forcing others to not recite it.

[RUEZ]

Brenda Brenda:

It is a school that just is not singing it on a daily basis anymore...

It's about them being forced not to sing it by two people.
There's a big difference between just not singing it and being forced to stop singing it.

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[Brenda]

RUEZ RUEZ:

Brenda Brenda:

It is a school that just is not singing it on a daily basis anymore...

It's about them being forced not to sing it by two people.
There's a big difference between just not singing it and being forced to stop singing it.

I don't think the kids would really mind though... It's the adults that make an issue out of it...

As usual...

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