[Choban]

Thanks Zipperfish.
I did use the "Fucking Cops" tag in my first post, I have since resinded it. I agree it's not fair to categorize the whole based on the few.

[EyeBrock]

Choban Choban:

Thanks Zipperfish.
I did use the "Fucking Cops" tag in my first post, I have since resinded it. I agree it's not fair to categorize the whole based on the few.

Yes, but retracted or not, that's just what you did and I'll feel free to comment on it.

And zipperfish, you suddenly a cop promoter or are you standing by your usual 'anti anything to do with authority' outlook?

[Zipperfish]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Choban Choban:

Thanks Zipperfish.
I did use the "Fucking Cops" tag in my first post, I have since resinded it. I agree it's not fair to categorize the whole based on the few.

Yes, but retracted or not, that's just what you did and I'll feel free to comment on it.

And zipperfish, you suddenly a cop promoter or are you standing by your usual 'anti anything to do with authority' outlook?

As usual, you attack the speaker rather than the message. I guess it's more convenient for you to just relegate me to some irrational "anti-whatever" status as opposed to contending with the actual comments.

I'm, admittedly, anti-authoritarian by nature. I doubt that I am as reflexive in my "anti-authoritarian" comments as you are in your "pro-authority" ones, though.

[EyeBrock]

I think we both do a bit of the two, no offence meant zip, I know you are a decent sort and it wasn't meant as a personal attack, apologies if it came off that way!

[Zipperfish]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I think we both do a bit of the two, no offence meant zip, I know you are a decent sort and it wasn't meant as a personal attack, apologies if it came off that way!

The feeling is definitely reciprocated. Thanks.

[EyeBrock]

No probs mate, just because we are an opposite ends of the political spectrum doesn't mean I don't respect you and a few other fine lefties!

[Dayseed]

I think the main thrust of people's angst in these situations is professing a fear that those in a position of power are unaccountable with that power. That Eyebrock has a different perspective on just how misguided the average person is regarding the "blue-wall" and the supposed protections it affords doesn't render the fear of the average citizen invalid.

In Ontario, we have the SIU. It's an independent body charged with investigating the injury or death of a person in police custody or contact. I think the SIU is an effective tool for the public to keep their trust in the police when somebody dies. If a competent independent body says the officer was justified in his use of force, I think the public breathes a sigh of relief.

Perhaps a national review board of some sort?

[acidcomplex]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Choban Choban:

EyeBrock
you've been given multiple links and cases of documented instances and still accuse everyone who doesn't agree with you of being uneducated Cop-haters, when we have each and every one of us stated we do not hate law abiding , hard working good police officers, just the crooked ones who aren't punished to the full extent of the law.

Multiple? Four or five cases over 3 years is hardly a valid indictment of the 60,000 men and women who serve Canada as police officers.
My point is people of your ilk leap on this very isolated cases and try to tar all cops with the same brush.

Oh shocking yet another one

http://www.canadaka.net/link.php?id=34915

[EyeBrock]

Dayseed Dayseed:

I think the main thrust of people's angst in these situations is professing a fear that those in a position of power are unaccountable with that power. That Eyebrock has a different perspective on just how misguided the average person is regarding the "blue-wall" and the supposed protections it affords doesn't render the fear of the average citizen invalid.

In Ontario, we have the SIU. It's an independent body charged with investigating the injury or death of a person in police custody or contact. I think the SIU is an effective tool for the public to keep their trust in the police when somebody dies. If a competent independent body says the officer was justified in his use of force, I think the public breathes a sigh of relief.

Perhaps a national review board of some sort?

Dayseed.....the voice of common sense!
I agree, the Ontario AG's office SIU is a model for the whole of Canada.
Nobody thought that when Bob Rae (hiss, boo) thought it up back in the bad old NDP days. Well it turns out he did a good thing for the cops and the public (still not voting for him though!).
A Federal version of the SIU is long overdue, or at the very least each province should have an independant and accountable unit to oversee alleged police misconduct.
Everybody wins, the cops get rid of the small minority of bad apples and the public realise that the cops are accountable.
Plus some of these anti-cop losers posting thread here would have to find another subject matter. Win-win!

I remember when I didn't like you dayseed!

[EyeBrock]

acidcomplex acidcomplex:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Choban Choban:

EyeBrock
you've been given multiple links and cases of documented instances and still accuse everyone who doesn't agree with you of being uneducated Cop-haters, when we have each and every one of us stated we do not hate law abiding , hard working good police officers, just the crooked ones who aren't punished to the full extent of the law.

Multiple? Four or five cases over 3 years is hardly a valid indictment of the 60,000 men and women who serve Canada as police officers.
My point is people of your ilk leap on this very isolated cases and try to tar all cops with the same brush.

Oh shocking yet another one

http://www.canadaka.net/link.php?id=34915

Just checked your website link Mr Anti-cop with a whole 5 examples over 4 years of 60,000 cops working. You can't spell mate. "rememeber"? By the way what's 5 examples of 60,000 time 4 years as a percentage? I'm a bit lacking in the math area....

[Choban]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

No probs mate, just because we are an opposite ends of the political spectrum doesn't mean I don't respect you and a few other fine lefties!

Guys, this is what Forums are for. No matter the issue people will disagree, It doen't make your opinion any less valid than anyone elses.
Aren't forums fun?
Keep posting everyone, Intelligent discussion is good for the mind.
Peace EyeBrock and Zipperfish, great discussion.

[Choban]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Dayseed Dayseed:

I think the main thrust of people's angst in these situations is professing a fear that those in a position of power are unaccountable with that power. That Eyebrock has a different perspective on just how misguided the average person is regarding the "blue-wall" and the supposed protections it affords doesn't render the fear of the average citizen invalid.

In Ontario, we have the SIU. It's an independent body charged with investigating the injury or death of a person in police custody or contact. I think the SIU is an effective tool for the public to keep their trust in the police when somebody dies. If a competent independent body says the officer was justified in his use of force, I think the public breathes a sigh of relief.

Perhaps a national review board of some sort?

Dayseed.....the voice of common sense!
I agree, the Ontario AG's office SIU is a model for the whole of Canada.
Nobody thought that when Bob Rae (hiss, boo) thought it up back in the bad old NDP days. Well it turns out he did a good thing for the cops and the public (still not voting for him though!).
A Federal version of the SIU is long overdue, or at the very least each province should have an independant and accountable unit to oversee alleged police misconduct.
Everybody wins, the cops get rid of the small minority of bad apples and the public realise that the cops are accountable.
Plus some of these anti-cop losers posting thread here would have to find another subject matter. Win-win!

I remember when I didn't like you dayseed!

The idea is good, as long as we can avoid the whole internal affairs structure the States uses, Cops should not investigate Cops.

[EyeBrock]

Choban Choban:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Dayseed Dayseed:

I think the main thrust of people's angst in these situations is professing a fear that those in a position of power are unaccountable with that power. That Eyebrock has a different perspective on just how misguided the average person is regarding the "blue-wall" and the supposed protections it affords doesn't render the fear of the average citizen invalid.

In Ontario, we have the SIU. It's an independent body charged with investigating the injury or death of a person in police custody or contact. I think the SIU is an effective tool for the public to keep their trust in the police when somebody dies. If a competent independent body says the officer was justified in his use of force, I think the public breathes a sigh of relief.

Perhaps a national review board of some sort?

Dayseed.....the voice of common sense!
I agree, the Ontario AG's office SIU is a model for the whole of Canada.
Nobody thought that when Bob Rae (hiss, boo) thought it up back in the bad old NDP days. Well it turns out he did a good thing for the cops and the public (still not voting for him though!).
A Federal version of the SIU is long overdue, or at the very least each province should have an independant and accountable unit to oversee alleged police misconduct.
Everybody wins, the cops get rid of the small minority of bad apples and the public realise that the cops are accountable.
Plus some of these anti-cop losers posting thread here would have to find another subject matter. Win-win!

I remember when I didn't like you dayseed!

The idea is good, as long as we can avoid the whole internal affairs structure the States uses, Cops should not investigate Cops.

Choban, on this we agree. Check out the SIU website, as Dayseed suggested, this org is a model for public/police accountability.
Bad cops should be sorted out but it should be noted that they are a small minority. The anti-cop crew making posts could not prove any points past that.
"Fuckers" comment is forgotten.

[Choban]

Eyebrock, I will check out the SIU website, and you've taught me the value of previewing my posts and the downfall of overly strong language, feel free to prove me wrong on any post or forum topic, BEWARE that I'll do the same for you. lol.

[EyeBrock]

No worries mate! I need the odd slap too now and then!