[BartSimpson]

DerbyX DerbyX:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Tricks Tricks:

Wow gang attacking people is fun isn't it.

You aren't seriously saying Hurley and I are "gang attacking" Bart are you?

I'm certainly not "attacking Bart" and Bart isn't getting any treatment from Hurley he hasn't dished out or isn't capable of handling.

I've gone up against 4 opponents at once before and that was alot more acidic then this.

Barts not made of sugar.

But I've been told I can be kinda sweet at times.



All kidding aside, Dr. Stirling said he'd never seen polar bear cannibalism before yet he himself documented it in his 1999 book and as the expert he reportedly is he is also aware of some other works on the same subject:

LUNN, N.J., and STENHOUSE, G.B. 1985. An observation of
possible cannibalism by polar bears (Ursus maritimus). Canadian Journal of Zoology 63:1516–1517.

TAYLOR, M., LARSEN, T., and SCHWEINSBURG, R.E. 1985.
Observations of intraspecific aggression and cannibalism in
polar bears (Ursus maritimus). Arctic 38:303– 309.


Again, this is old news that has absolutely NOTHING to do with global warming one way or the other.

You keep bringing up past incidents of bear cannibalism as evidence but its quite evident what Stirling is referring to.

If abnormally high temperatures are forcing bears to look for alternate food sources then yes it does have to do with global warming.

He's not saying that. He's saying that he's never seen this before as if this is an unusual and never-before-seen phenomena that can therefore only be linked to AGW. And that is patently untrue.

His determining an AGW causality to a behavior that was observed and documented long before anyone ever thought of AGW is a non-sequitor. His conclusion is tangential to the data set of his information.

Polar bear cannibalism was observed and documented in well-fed male polar bears in 1985.

So what does that have to do with AGW?

[BartSimpson]

These guys went bowhunting a polar bear.

[kenmore]

they must have voted liberal....

[Tricks]

That's badass.

[mixedfarmer]

did they eat it?

[DerbyX]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

DerbyX DerbyX:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Tricks Tricks:

Wow gang attacking people is fun isn't it.

You aren't seriously saying Hurley and I are "gang attacking" Bart are you?

I'm certainly not "attacking Bart" and Bart isn't getting any treatment from Hurley he hasn't dished out or isn't capable of handling.

I've gone up against 4 opponents at once before and that was alot more acidic then this.

Barts not made of sugar.

But I've been told I can be kinda sweet at times.



All kidding aside, Dr. Stirling said he'd never seen polar bear cannibalism before yet he himself documented it in his 1999 book and as the expert he reportedly is he is also aware of some other works on the same subject:

LUNN, N.J., and STENHOUSE, G.B. 1985. An observation of
possible cannibalism by polar bears (Ursus maritimus). Canadian Journal of Zoology 63:1516–1517.

TAYLOR, M., LARSEN, T., and SCHWEINSBURG, R.E. 1985.
Observations of intraspecific aggression and cannibalism in
polar bears (Ursus maritimus). Arctic 38:303– 309.


Again, this is old news that has absolutely NOTHING to do with global warming one way or the other.

You keep bringing up past incidents of bear cannibalism as evidence but its quite evident what Stirling is referring to.

If abnormally high temperatures are forcing bears to look for alternate food sources then yes it does have to do with global warming.

He's not saying that. He's saying that he's never seen this before as if this is an unusual and never-before-seen phenomena that can therefore only be linked to AGW. And that is patently untrue.

His determining an AGW causality to a behavior that was observed and documented long before anyone ever thought of AGW is a non-sequitor. His conclusion is tangential to the data set of his information.

Polar bear cannibalism was observed and documented in well-fed male polar bears in 1985.

So what does that have to do with AGW?

I don't think that at all. To me he is clearly talking about frequency and scope.

The link to AGW is quite evident as the warmer conditions creating pitiful conditions for bears to feed.

More evidence in evolutional theories about the better you are able to adapt the more successful your species will be.

[Blue_Nose]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

What? No nasty retorts after I debunk the glorious polar bear expert with his own words?

:lol: sorry Bart - I'm not about to whip out the laptop on the way home to check in on what new bullshit you're going to come up with next.

CBC CBC:

"We found four different incidents where the bear had been killed by an adult male to eat — in other words, cannibalism," Stirling said Wednesday.

"I thought that was very unusual. I've never seen it, anywhere."

Now, you might be more adept at reading inbetween the lines than I am, but I fail to see how, from a single sentence account taken from a CBC report, you glean the particular details that makes this situation usual for him. You've merely assumed that it was the occurance of cannibalism alone that made it unusual.

Hell, it's more likely that the reporter paraphrased or even rearranged his words for the article than it is that he slipped up on a known behaviour characteristic.

Of course, maybe he's lying and just hoping nobody reads his publicly available book, or reads any of the other documented cases of polar bear cannibalism - I mean, it's not like there's a huge spotlight on any comment made publicly in the context of climate change.

Since you're all gung-ho about researching this now that I've got your knickers in a knot, how about you go ahead and find the actual article he wrote about this particular event in Arctic, and decide if the story you've pieced together in your head has any merit.

Now I'm off to watch a movie with my girlfriend - can you wait until afterwards to discuss your pathetic attempts to undermine an expert in his own field?

[Blue_Nose]

Sorry again Bart, thought I'd just check for myself, and guess what turned up:


Unusual predation attempts of polar bears on ringed seals in the southern Beaufort Sea : possible significance of changing spring ice conditions

Gee, looks to me like he finds the predation on ringed seals unusual - of course, I'm not a master read-between-the-lineser like you.

Better luck next time.

[N_Fiddledog]

When you peel all the bullshit away what we're really talking about concerning this article is anecdotal evidence from an activist scientist of some kind of new hide and seek technique the seal is supposed to be using as a result of all the new ice that turned up in this year's colder than expected arctic winter.

Even if it was true, how is that evidence of global warming killing the polar bears?

So when it gets warm that kills the bears, right? In spite of the evidence overall polar bear populations actually increased measurably during the recent warm spike. OK, let's say I'm not paying attention, and I buy that. Even so, now you want to tell me that because the climate got colder along the Beaufort sea (an area where there's been new ice each year), now that cold year is killing the bear, and that also is a result of global warming. Sorry guys, something about that just reeks of snake oil.

[mixedfarmer]

Asked about the environment, Hawking, who suffers from a degenerative disease, uses a wheelchair and speaks through a computerized voice synthesizer, said he was "very worried about global warming."

He said he was afraid that Earth "might end up like Venus, at 250 degrees centigrade and raining sulfuric acid."

[N_Fiddledog]

Sorry MixedFarmer, you lost me. You're going to have to explain to me how Stephen Hawking being disabled proves global warming, and for that matter what it has to do with polar bears.

[BartSimpson]

Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:

Sorry again Bart, thought I'd just check for myself, and guess what turned up:


Unusual predation attempts of polar bears on ringed seals in the southern Beaufort Sea : possible significance of changing spring ice conditions

Gee, looks to me like he finds the predation on ringed seals unusual - of course, I'm not a master read-between-the-lineser like you.

Better luck next time.

Polar bears are eating seals? Oh, well obviously that's evidence of the coming Apocalypse much the same as cows eating grass is.

[mixedfarmer]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Sorry MixedFarmer, you lost me. You're going to have to explain to me how Stephen Hawking being disabled proves global warming, and for that matter what it has to do with polar bears.

i copy and pasted a direct quote from a newspaper , sorry. It was their quote not mine.

[mixedfarmer]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Sorry MixedFarmer, you lost me. You're going to have to explain to me how Stephen Hawking being disabled proves global warming, and for that matter what it has to do with polar bears.

Not one part of the earth is on its own as an ecosystem. When fossil fuels are burned they affect the whole planet. Also deforestation, urbanization, damming up rivers light pollution etc all effect the planet. Stephen Hawkings said increased co2 methane and other green houses gases are increase global temperature. He stated that the tipping point is to late to stop. Increased global ocean temperatures will release methane stored on the ocean floor also arctic methane will be released from the permafrost. Polar bears hunt for food on the arctic ice pack and thiner ice increases ice movement and piling up of ice . Also in time the ice may disappear totally. Stephen Hawkings also said polar ice caps are shrinking, Forests have been destroyed, The water has been poisoned and this cannot continue if people want to inhabit the earth.

[Blue_Nose]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:

Sorry again Bart, thought I'd just check for myself, and guess what turned up:


Unusual predation attempts of polar bears on ringed seals in the southern Beaufort Sea : possible significance of changing spring ice conditions

Gee, looks to me like he finds the predation on ringed seals unusual - of course, I'm not a master read-between-the-lineser like you.

Better luck next time.

Polar bears are eating seals? Oh, well obviously that's evidence of the coming Apocalypse much the same as cows eating grass is.

You'd think by now you'd have learned to actually read something and understand what's being said before you spout off like a moron - Unusual predation attempts, Bart, attempts. For Christ's sake, get a clue.

I understand you're not the kind of person to admit when he's clearly wrong, but this is pathetic.