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If Albertans are so pissed at their gov't how come the opposition can't get them to the polls.....easy there is no viable opposition. http://www.electionsalberta.ab.ca/Publi ... te/750.htm

Define "viable opposition," and show how the Liberals and NDP fail to meet it.

no plan...no plan...no plan no plan..... no plan..... I'm still waiting for someone else to reveal the fucking plan in that piece of shit commercial.. There's your union dues hard at work

Point? You yourself here admit that this is an ad put out by a union, not one of the opposition parties. How does it say anything one way or the other about the opposition parties' "viability"?

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Kevin Taft...."this gov't is tired..it has no ideas"

"this gov't is so tired..it has no ideas" repetative in that monotone voice


I wish I had a nickel every time I heard Taft say that, his plan or his ideas never followed that statement.


Now we see he's making it up on a daily basis...."lower royalty rates on gas" let's here you justify that one.

Taft isn't even a good critic why the hell should we let him run the province, him and Dion are very Timilar.

So a "viable opposition" is one that effectively criticizes the government, and the Liberals aren't it because you think you've never heard Taft say anything but "this gov't is tired..it has no ideas"? Is that it? Weak.

A viable opposition is one that criticizes as well as offers a better solution or plan...or something!
The Alberta Federation of Labor put out that ad and its obvious what their message is "Anybody but the Tories" thats weak. No alternative plan offered again.

The opposition should be something more than a bunch of talking heads looking for media time.

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So lets hear your opinion on lower royalties on natural gas...avoiding that one are you?

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A viable opposition is one that criticizes as well as offers a better solution or plan...or something!
The Alberta Federation of Labor put out that ad and its obvious what their message is "Anybody but the Tories" thats weak. No alternative plan offered again.

The opposition should be something more than a bunch of talking heads looking for media time.

The Alberta Federation of Labour is not an opposition party, and therefore irrelevant to this discussion.

Here's the Liberal platform. How is it not a plan?

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So lets hear your opinion on lower royalties on natural gas...avoiding that one are you?

Only so far as avoiding your attempt to deflect from your utterly unfounded claims that there is no viable alternative to the PCs.

The price of oil and gas is falling. Wellsites are being shut down because it's a losing proposition to operate them. As such, a lowering of royalties would provide incentive to start them back up.

Personally, as the infrastructure is already in place, I'd rather see them leave it alone for a while until the price comes back up rather than get it out and pay less in royalties, especially since we can make it up on the oil sands. But since when do I have to agree with everything any one party proposes?

[Toro]

As one who generally votes Tory in Canadian elections, I'd sit this one out.

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hurley_108 hurley_108:

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A viable opposition is one that criticizes as well as offers a better solution or plan...or something!
The Alberta Federation of Labor put out that ad and its obvious what their message is "Anybody but the Tories" thats weak. No alternative plan offered again.

The opposition should be something more than a bunch of talking heads looking for media time.

The Alberta Federation of Labour is not an opposition party, and therefore irrelevant to this discussion.

Here's the Liberal platform. How is it not a plan?

Lot's of pretty pictures in that brochure I like the "as mentioned part" they could have cut this in half if they didn't keep repeating themselves.

I see Taft is going to rely on increasing royalties even more to fund his plan, kiss investment good-bye if Saskatchewan keeps royalties the same. After that we know what would follow... PROVINCIAL SALES TAX ,

that would cost you more than your health premiums.

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hurley_108 hurley_108:

mtbr mtbr:

So lets hear your opinion on lower royalties on natural gas...avoiding that one are you?

Only so far as avoiding your attempt to deflect from your utterly unfounded claims that there is no viable alternative to the PCs.

The price of oil and gas is falling. Wellsites are being shut down because it's a losing proposition to operate them. As such, a lowering of royalties would provide incentive to start them back up.

Personally, as the infrastructure is already in place, I'd rather see them leave it alone for a while until the price comes back up rather than get it out and pay less in royalties, especially since we can make it up on the oil sands. But since when do I have to agree with everything any one party proposes?

I've never seen so many drilling outfits looking for people then right now and I've been monitoring the HRDC site and both the calgary sun and Edmonton sun skilled trades ads on a daily basis for years. Just check yesterdays Calgary sun classifieds.

Sure doesnt look like a slowdown to me.

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2009 is still 10 months off, price of gas has rebounded too.......maybe those companies aren't drilling in Alberta?....how about Saskatchewan?

[Alta_redneck]

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hurley_108 hurley_108:

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So lets hear your opinion on lower royalties on natural gas...avoiding that one are you?

Only so far as avoiding your attempt to deflect from your utterly unfounded claims that there is no viable alternative to the PCs.

The price of oil and gas is falling. Wellsites are being shut down because it's a losing proposition to operate them. As such, a lowering of royalties would provide incentive to start them back up.

Personally, as the infrastructure is already in place, I'd rather see them leave it alone for a while until the price comes back up rather than get it out and pay less in royalties, especially since we can make it up on the oil sands. But since when do I have to agree with everything any one party proposes?

I've never seen so many drilling outfits looking for people then right now and I've been monitoring the HRDC site and both the calgary sun and Edmonton sun skilled trades ads on a daily basis for years. Just check yesterdays Calgary sun classifieds.

Sure doesnt look like a slowdown to me.

I chatted with an old timer just the other day, that had drilled about 45 years of his life time. He said in Red Deer right now, if you show up at a service rig contractors door with all your tickets and a good pair of work boots, there's a good chance they'll drive you right out to a job the same day.

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hurley_108 hurley_108:

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So lets hear your opinion on lower royalties on natural gas...avoiding that one are you?

Only so far as avoiding your attempt to deflect from your utterly unfounded claims that there is no viable alternative to the PCs.

The price of oil and gas is falling. Wellsites are being shut down because it's a losing proposition to operate them. As such, a lowering of royalties would provide incentive to start them back up.

Personally, as the infrastructure is already in place, I'd rather see them leave it alone for a while until the price comes back up rather than get it out and pay less in royalties, especially since we can make it up on the oil sands. But since when do I have to agree with everything any one party proposes?

I've never seen so many drilling outfits looking for people then right now and I've been monitoring the HRDC site and both the calgary sun and Edmonton sun skilled trades ads on a daily basis for years. Just check yesterdays Calgary sun classifieds.

Sure doesnt look like a slowdown to me.

i know they even advertise all the way out here ( ontario ) looking for people , have seen there ads in the newspapers .

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hurley_108 hurley_108:

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A viable opposition is one that criticizes as well as offers a better solution or plan...or something!
The Alberta Federation of Labor put out that ad and its obvious what their message is "Anybody but the Tories" thats weak. No alternative plan offered again.

The opposition should be something more than a bunch of talking heads looking for media time.

The Alberta Federation of Labour is not an opposition party, and therefore irrelevant to this discussion.

Here's the Liberal platform. How is it not a plan?

Lot's of pretty pictures in that brochure I like the "as mentioned part" they could have cut this in half if they didn't keep repeating themselves.

You could fit the Tory platform on the back of a business card:

Change* That Works

*Not really, just more of the same.
** Oh, and we're gonna steal the Liberals' idea of ending health care premiums.

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I see Taft is going to rely on increasing royalties even more to fund his plan, kiss investment good-bye if Saskatchewan keeps royalties the same. After that we know what would follow... PROVINCIAL SALES TAX ,

Are they going to take the oil over to Saskatchewan too, and dig it out of the ground there?

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that would cost you more than your health premiums.

Uh huh. One of Preston Manning's former staffers is endorsing his Liberal candidate, and making specific note of the Liberals' fiscal responsibility in their plan.

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Alta_redneck Alta_redneck:

ziggy ziggy:

hurley_108 hurley_108:

mtbr mtbr:

So lets hear your opinion on lower royalties on natural gas...avoiding that one are you?

Only so far as avoiding your attempt to deflect from your utterly unfounded claims that there is no viable alternative to the PCs.

The price of oil and gas is falling. Wellsites are being shut down because it's a losing proposition to operate them. As such, a lowering of royalties would provide incentive to start them back up.

Personally, as the infrastructure is already in place, I'd rather see them leave it alone for a while until the price comes back up rather than get it out and pay less in royalties, especially since we can make it up on the oil sands. But since when do I have to agree with everything any one party proposes?

I've never seen so many drilling outfits looking for people then right now and I've been monitoring the HRDC site and both the calgary sun and Edmonton sun skilled trades ads on a daily basis for years. Just check yesterdays Calgary sun classifieds.

Sure doesnt look like a slowdown to me.

I chatted with an old timer just the other day, that had drilled about 45 years of his life time. He said in Red Deer right now, if you show up at a service rig contractors door with all your tickets and a good pair of work boots, there's a good chance they'll drive you right out to a job the same day.

Loathe as I am to drag others into debates, Dino_Bobba_Renno says here that there's a slowdown.

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hurley_108 hurley_108:

Alta_redneck Alta_redneck:

ziggy ziggy:

hurley_108 hurley_108:

mtbr mtbr:

So lets hear your opinion on lower royalties on natural gas...avoiding that one are you?

Only so far as avoiding your attempt to deflect from your utterly unfounded claims that there is no viable alternative to the PCs.

The price of oil and gas is falling. Wellsites are being shut down because it's a losing proposition to operate them. As such, a lowering of royalties would provide incentive to start them back up.

Personally, as the infrastructure is already in place, I'd rather see them leave it alone for a while until the price comes back up rather than get it out and pay less in royalties, especially since we can make it up on the oil sands. But since when do I have to agree with everything any one party proposes?

I've never seen so many drilling outfits looking for people then right now and I've been monitoring the HRDC site and both the calgary sun and Edmonton sun skilled trades ads on a daily basis for years. Just check yesterdays Calgary sun classifieds.

Sure doesnt look like a slowdown to me.

I chatted with an old timer just the other day, that had drilled about 45 years of his life time. He said in Red Deer right now, if you show up at a service rig contractors door with all your tickets and a good pair of work boots, there's a good chance they'll drive you right out to a job the same day.

Loathe as I am to drag others into debates, Dino_Bobba_Renno says here that there's a slowdown.

There was,things look to be picking up though. CBM wells are still being drilled.
New year,new exploration budget. Hard to predict but those rigs dont make any money laying down.

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hurley_108 hurley_108:

Are they going to take the oil over to Saskatchewan too, and dig it out of the ground there?


Uh huh. One of Preston Manning's former staffers is endorsing his Liberal candidate, and making specific note of the Liberals' fiscal responsibility in their plan.

Lots of oil in Saskatchewan..Sak..produces 17% of Canada's oil.

http://www.dobmagazine.nickles.com/colu ... A0000.html

http://www.eboardoftrade.com/files/Misc ... n_Sask.pdf


more importantly http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080121/wl_ ... energy_col


When Preston Manning endorses the libs I'll vote for them ....last week the media started a rumor that former Klein staffer Rod Love was endorsing the Libs...Rod quickly put an end to that one.


BTW I never voted tory in the last election

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hurley_108 hurley_108:

Are they going to take the oil over to Saskatchewan too, and dig it out of the ground there?


Uh huh. One of Preston Manning's former staffers is endorsing his Liberal candidate, and making specific note of the Liberals' fiscal responsibility in their plan.

Lots of oil in Saskatchewan..Sak..produces 17% of Canada's oil.

http://www.dobmagazine.nickles.com/colu ... A0000.html

http://www.eboardoftrade.com/files/Misc ... n_Sask.pdf


more importantly http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080121/wl_ ... energy_col

You missed my point.

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When Preston Manning endorses the libs I'll vote for them ....last week the media started a rumor that former Klein staffer Rod Love was endorsing the Libs...Rod quickly put an end to that one.

Put and end to or back-pedalled on?

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BTW I never voted tory in the last election

No? Who did you vote for? Last election I voted for Taft. Literally. I lived in his riding at the time.