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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:24 am
 


romanP romanP:
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stemmer stemmer:
You must be naive as you do not grasp that taxes are more often raised then lowered. So the carbon tax like most taxes will be increased. The revenue will be squandered by politicians and will not be diverted to the environment or researching alternative energies.

Just like the gun registry had nothing to do with reducing crime, it was a tax grab. So is this carbon tax.

I'm betting any political party that makes implementing a new tax without reducing another tax will be voted out of office.


Except that this tax wouldn't go to general revenue, it would go to a technology trust that would then go right back to those areas that generated it to pay for development of cleaner technologies.


Gotta go with stemmer on this one--despite all the best intentions, it all ends up in general revenue sooner or later. They just can't keep their hands off it. The only solution to climate change is every body works together internationally--notably China, India, Russia, North America, and Europe. But everyone isn't going to work together, so there will be no prevention, just adaptation.


If nobody even starts and just keeps pointing fingers at the worst offenders as an example of why no one should do anything, then we will be truly fucked as a species and as a planet, on many different issues.

We should set the example, regardless of what other countries are doing. If we invest in better technology now, we can sell it to the worst offenders and possibly even generate competition with them to make even better technologies.


Kyoto will just give factories and industries an excuse to relocate their operations to Kyoto exempt countries. We will see a mass exodus of companies. It will be NAFTA all over again...

Sorry I'm not surrendering the sovereignty of Canada to unelected officials in the UN.


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We should set the example, regardless of what other countries are doing. If we invest in better technology now, we can sell it to the worst offenders and possibly even generate competition with them to make even better technologies.


Great theory but reality differs.

We are presenting a better example.....

We do have better technology and are using it.

The Chinese "Chery" car Moe Strong is trying to import can't meet our emissions standards....and our worst smog days are better than Beijing's best days.


Exactly... not only that Kyoto is gwill give a lot of our corporations excuses to buddy up with China to use it's cheap labour....

Chrysler is already announcing using Chery arts in some of their cars....

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/13/wron ... -platform/


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