[tritium]

Tricks Tricks:

Wow, Tritium blowing something out of proportion, and believing rumors to suit his need. Incredible.

Maybe you missed the keywords, huh.

tritium tritium:

I haven't heard the recording but some news agencies are running the 911 tapes and on Fox New rumor is they beeped out the part where Joe Horn says; "I'm going out to get those to n-word."

So is this becoming more of a rasical fight or self defense.

Has anyone heard the 911 tapes, please share a link.

Tricks you can be a real 'Bitch' at times.

I was saying, this is what I heard. Has anyone else heard the same? Can anyone confirm this or is it a bunch of hogwash?

I have heard 2 different stories. Yesterday it was two illegal Mexicans, today it's two black dudes.

WTF, did he shoot a couple of chameleons?

[Sherminator333]

Vigilantism is not the right way to deal with Felons. Or at least just shoot them in the legs.

[martin14]

tritium, i had a look at ur rackjite link.

there is a link to cnn's release of the tapes..

http://rackjite.com/archives/987-Dec-8- ... -Back.html

2 guys that look black from the pictures, but with very mexican type names..

its still not a clear-cut picture, but i would like to hear the full, unedited tapes first.

[BartSimpson]

Sherminator333 Sherminator333:

Vigilantism is not the right way to deal with Felons. Or at least just shoot them in the legs.

Or how about this better idea: don't commit crimes.

Geez, why is it so tough for some people to grasp cause and effect?

Don't break into someones home in Texas and you won't get shot by their excitable neighbor. The better idea is to move to the UK where you can break into someone's home while they are there and then steal what you like. And if the homeowner interferes then it is the homeowner who will get the worst punishment and you, the burglar, will be entitled to 'compensation' from the nasty homeowner.

Maroons.

[sasquatch2]

This getting to be a bit like the GW debate.....

Tritium

$1:

So what has Joe Horn gained from our racist Texas Libertarian NRA gunoonery which caused him to shoot and kill a couple unarmed black men in the back?

You added that! Nowhere is there any valid reference as to this preposterous unsubstantiated claim.
Betcha thought you could sneak that through then later cite it as fact.

You, sir, are the back-shooter.

[Ex-Expat]

Seems to me I remember reading they were Columbian. But seriously, a criminal by any other race is still a criminal.

There was nothing in the article stating that they were shot in the back. If anything, by virtue of them coming onto his property, it seems likely that they were approaching him, not retreating.

It also sounds to me like he didn't go outside with the intention of shooting them... rather, it seems that he intended to detain them. But I suspect there are very few criminals who, upon getting caught, will actually stop and patiently wait for the police to arrive if you go out there with empty hands and yell, "Halt!"

He warned them to stop and pointed a gun at them. If you're stupid enough to continue after that, which it sounds like they were, then you get what you get. 2 more for the Darwin Award.

I'm huge on the sanctity of life and such, I really am. But I have zero sympathy for criminals. When you choose to commit a crime, you have decided that it's worth the risk. Too bad for you if it doesn't work out.

[Chumley]

tritium tritium:

Tricks Tricks:

Wow, Tritium blowing something out of proportion, and believing rumors to suit his need. Incredible.

Maybe you missed the keywords, huh.

tritium tritium:

I haven't heard the recording but some news agencies are running the 911 tapes and on Fox New rumor is they beeped out the part where Joe Horn says; "I'm going out to get those to n-word."

So is this becoming more of a rasical fight or self defense.

Has anyone heard the 911 tapes, please share a link.

Tricks you can be a real 'Bitch' at times.

I was saying, this is what I heard. Has anyone else heard the same? Can anyone confirm this or is it a bunch of hogwash?

I have heard 2 different stories. Yesterday it was two illegal Mexicans, today it's two black dudes.

WTF, did he shoot a couple of chameleons?

They might have been illegal black mexican dudes.

[Ex-Expat]

lily lily:

Think on this too - I haven't seen any mention that the 2 burglars were armed.

Something else to think on - if his intention had really been to go out and shoot them, why bother with pausing to shout a warning as he did? Why tell them to stop? If his real objective was to punish them, he could've just quietly gone outside and started shooting. Seems like it would be easier to hit an unsuspecting target.

lily lily:

Since when is theft a capital offense?

I never said it was. It's not. And it still wouldn't have been, in this case, if they would have stopped when he told them to.

lily lily:

This wasn't a robbery, it wasn't an assault.

Understood. But I have to agree with Bart on this one... it's pure cause and effect:

1) Burglarize somebody's home, risk getting caught.

2) Somebody with a gun tells you to stop, you decide not to, risk getting shot.

They made two bad decisions, not one. Their getting shot was the logical conclusion to #2, not #1.

[tritium]

sasquatch2 sasquatch2:

This getting to be a bit like the GW debate.....

Tritium

$1:

So what has Joe Horn gained from our racist Texas Libertarian NRA gunoonery which caused him to shoot and kill a couple unarmed black men in the back?

You added that! Nowhere is there any valid reference as to this preposterous unsubstantiated claim.
Betcha thought you could sneak that through then later cite it as fact.

You, sir, are the back-shooter.

YOU SIR ARE AN KNUCKLE-DRAGGING BAFFON

1. I clearly stated that I didn't write that, but pulled it from a different web site.

2. The Pasadena stated that he shot them in the back.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5362232.html

$1:

The two burglary suspects killed by Pasadena homeowner Joe Horn were shot in the back after they ventured into his front yard, police disclosed Friday.

NOW GO FONDEL YOUR GUN.

[Chumley]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Sherminator333 Sherminator333:

Vigilantism is not the right way to deal with Felons. Or at least just shoot them in the legs.

Or how about this better idea: don't commit crimes.

Geez, why is it so tough for some people to grasp cause and effect?

Don't break into someones home in Texas and you won't get shot by their excitable neighbor. The better idea is to move to the UK where you can break into someone's home while they are there and then steal what you like. And if the homeowner interferes then it is the homeowner who will get the worst punishment and you, the burglar, will be entitled to 'compensation' from the nasty homeowner.

Maroons.

I agree with Bart on this one. If they hadn't a been doin' what they know they shouldn't a been doin'
they wouldn'ta got shot.

[tritium]

Chumley Chumley:

I agree with Bart on this one. If they hadn't a been doin' what they know they shouldn't a been doin'
they wouldn'ta got shot.

That is just a statement of fact.

If the man who crossed the street that was hit by the car, didn't cross the street, he wouldn't have been hit.

The debate is, did Joe Horn have the right to go shoot two men who were not a direct threat to himself or any other person at the time.

My personal opinion from all the news articles, I don't think he had the right to do what he did.

HOWEVER!! I don't want to see the guy tossed in jail, he did what most of would do in his case. I would love to have a neighbor like him...

...unless I locked myself out of my house and I had the break the side window to climb in. Might get a pile of buckshot in my arse.

[Chumley]

tritium tritium:

Chumley Chumley:

I agree with Bart on this one. If they hadn't a been doin' what they know they shouldn't a been doin'
they wouldn'ta got shot.

That is just a statement of fact.

If the man who crossed the street that was hit by the car, didn't cross the street, he wouldn't have been hit.

The debate is, did Joe Horn have the right to go shoot two men who were not a direct threat to himself or any other person at the time.

My personal opinion from all the news articles, I don't think he had the right to do what he did.

HOWEVER!! I don't want to see the guy tossed in jail, he did what most of would do in his case. I would love to have a neighbor like him...

...unless I locked myself out of my house and I had the break the side window to climb in. Might get a pile of buckshot in my arse.

Its more than just a statement of fact. They were doing something they should not have been doing.
If the guy who crossed the road didn't look both ways and was jaywalking, then he deserved to get hit.
If he was obeying the proper laws to cross a street than he didn't deserve to.

According to some of the posts here concerning Texas law, (I admit I don't know anything about Texas law) he did have the right.

[tritium]

I would have to assume so. More than once when I lived in Arlington, TX I witnessed crimes where I didn't just call the police, but became active in detaining the criminal.

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I remember one time, I am sitting watching TV. My television was in front of the window (pic below), and outside my window 2 guys were trying to rip off my neighbors car.

I sitting there on my futon, giving the police full details of these 2 baffons 5 feet outside my window.

Police arrived and the guys ran, but the police dogs made short work of the 2 criminals and they were arrested.

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Another time I walked around the corner and a guy busted a window in a vehicle, he was trying to rip off the stereo. I told him to stop, he tried to rush me. I carry, and he ended up in the hospital.

I faced no criminal prosecution for that incident.

The fella who was also a resident of the apt. complex was charged by the police and evicted by the apartment manager.

[Ex-Expat]

tritium tritium:

Chumley Chumley:

I agree with Bart on this one. If they hadn't a been doin' what they know they shouldn't a been doin'
they wouldn'ta got shot.

That is just a statement of fact.

If the man who crossed the street that was hit by the car, didn't cross the street, he wouldn't have been hit.

Nah. More like, if the man who saw a car approaching that was too close to stop, didn't decide to step into the street anyway, and instead had waited until it passed before crossing, he wouldn't have been hit.

As I said before, their mistake in question here was deciding to run anyway when somebody was pointing a gun at them and telling them to stop or he'll shoot. Not the burglary itself, even though that was the stupid decision that put them in this predicament.

tritium tritium:

The debate is, did Joe Horn have the right to go shoot two men who were not a direct threat to himself or any other person at the time.

My personal opinion from all the news articles, I don't think he had the right to do what he did.

I believe that as a citizen he had the right to do whatever minimal action was required to detain them until the police came - a citizen's arrest, which is provided for by law. He yelled for them to stop or get shot. They chose to keep going. It was this, not their decision to steal, which was their fatal mistake.

tritium tritium:

HOWEVER!! I don't want to see the guy tossed in jail, he did what most of would do in his case. I would love to have a neighbor like him...

...unless I locked myself out of my house and I had the break the side window to climb in. Might get a pile of buckshot in my arse.

Frankly, I'd love to have him as a neighbour and I hope he gets off scott-free. Let that be a lesson to any other career criminal scumbags like those two, that their rights do not supersede the right of law-abiding citizens to live an honest life without being violated by hoodlums at every turn.

[Chumley]

tritium tritium:

love to have a neighbor like him...

...unless I locked myself out of my house and I had the break the side window to climb in. Might get a pile of buckshot in my arse.

That is a good point. In this case though it seems it was an obvious burglery.
A good reason to get to know your neighbours. My nieghbour has seen me climb through my window twice that I know of for the same reason.