[Thanos]

No one here ever defended or made excuses for Bill Clinton but lots here are now defending and making excuses for Trump and Roy Moore.

[BRAH]

________________

The legacy of Bill Clinton.

[Coach85]

You all are a pathetic bunch.

All of these men are being accused and some have admitted to some disgusting acts and you guys turn everything into right vs. left as that somehow makes the situation better for your side of the political fence. It doesn't.

Not everything needs to be a political battle when both sides of the fence are filled with these types of people. Let's clean up our own backyard before we focus on others.

[BartSimpson]

Thanos Thanos:

No one here ever defended or made excuses for Bill Clinton but lots here are now defending and making excuses for Trump and Roy Moore.

"Here" did not exist when Bill Clinton was being impeached.

Also the major difference with Clinton as opposed to Trump and Moore is that there's actual physical evidence that Clinton ****** all over Monica Lewinsky's dress.

With Trump I do believe that some of the allegations have at least some merit. He was a jerk. To some extent he still is. But he's not accused of coercion or rape he's just accused of being a man of his time (a jerk). Given the number of leftists who're being exposed as men of their time I'd say he's in good company.

With Moore I don't believe that he did anything out of line for a man in the late 1970's. I also do not believe he was a sexual predator because he hasn't done any such thing for forty years and actual sexual predators never stop.

The sum of this is that any man in the workplace would do well to adhere to the Billy Graham & Mike Pence rules:

1. Never travel, dine, or meet alone with a woman who isn't your wife.
2. Do not drink alcohol at parties unless your wife is present.
3. Do not have conversations with women on personal topics unless your wife is present.


I have always practiced these rules without really thinking about it.

I actually go the extra step of where I will not ride alone in an elevator with a woman. I'll take the stairs first.

Frankly, all of these problems make the case for men to have their own colleges, gender exclusive clubs, and gender exclusive workplaces where they can be themselves without any worry of offending a woman.

[xerxes]

Those rules only insulate you from comitting adultery. Not to mention that theyre essentially an admission one can’t control oneself around women unless there’s supervision.

[martin14]

xerxes xerxes:

Those rules only insulate you from comitting adultery. Not to mention that theyre essentially an admission one can’t control oneself around women unless there’s supervision.

No you also get insulated from false accusations of sexual harassment.

[Thanos]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Thanos Thanos:

No one here ever defended or made excuses for Bill Clinton but lots here are now defending and making excuses for Trump and Roy Moore.

"Here" did not exist when Bill Clinton was being impeached.

Also the major difference with Clinton as opposed to Trump and Moore is that there's actual physical evidence that Clinton ****** all over Monica Lewinsky's dress.

With Trump I do believe that some of the allegations have at least some merit. He was a jerk. To some extent he still is. But he's not accused of coercion or rape he's just accused of being a man of his time (a jerk). Given the number of leftists who're being exposed as men of their time I'd say he's in good company.

With Moore I don't believe that he did anything out of line for a man in the late 1970's. I also do not believe he was a sexual predator because he hasn't done any such thing for forty years and actual sexual predators never stop.

The sum of this is that any man in the workplace would do well to adhere to the Billy Graham & Mike Pence rules:

1. Never travel, dine, or meet alone with a woman who isn't your wife.
2. Do not drink alcohol at parties unless your wife is present.
3. Do not have conversations with women on personal topics unless your wife is present.


I have always practiced these rules without really thinking about it.

I actually go the extra step of where I will not ride alone in an elevator with a woman. I'll take the stairs first.

Frankly, all of these problems make the case for men to have their own colleges, gender exclusive clubs, and gender exclusive workplaces where they can be themselves without any worry of offending a woman.

1) Lewinsky wasn't coerced or assaulted, it was a consensual relationship, so anyone dragging her into the overall discussion is just ignorant or playing some kind of game of their own
2) the other Clinton accusers are most likely all telling the truth; Clinton was/is a pig and everyone knows it
3) the Trump/Moore accusers are most likely all telling the truth; Trump/Moore are pigs and everyone knows it
4) I agree with your own personal rules around females in the workplace, especially in a hyper-politicized environment like the one you work in; had to engage in the same set of rules myself when a genuinely trouble-making female took it upon herself to entirely destroy what had once been a very comfortable and friendly workplace
5) if we're going to give some of these guys an excuse for being "a man of their times" then does Al Franken get a pass for being a jerk? because comedians are "on" all the time and really can't stop themselves from doing stupid jokes, even when their logical brain is probably screaming at them inside "no, don't do this!"

[Tricks]

If sexually assaulting women is "being a man of their times" your entire generation should be ashamed of themselves.

[martin14]

Thanos Thanos:

1) Lewinsky wasn't coerced or assaulted, it was a consensual relationship, so anyone dragging her into the overall discussion is just ignorant or playing some kind of game of their own

You cannot have consent with such a disparate power level.

[BartSimpson]

martin14 martin14:

xerxes xerxes:

Those rules only insulate you from comitting adultery. Not to mention that theyre essentially an admission one can’t control oneself around women unless there’s supervision.

No you also get insulated from false accusations of sexual harassment.

Bingo!

[BeaverFever]

martin14 martin14:

Thanos Thanos:

1) Lewinsky wasn't coerced or assaulted, it was a consensual relationship, so anyone dragging her into the overall discussion is just ignorant or playing some kind of game of their own

You cannot have consent with such a disparate power level.

Sure you can. People date their bosses all the time. It’s not automatic lack of consent just because one person has a higher level of authority.

Police officers have power over civilians. Doesn’t make it an automatic crime for a cop to have sex with anyone. Having sex with a prisoner or someone under investigation is a different story.

[BeaverFever]

xerxes xerxes:

Those rules only insulate you from comitting adultery. Not to mention that theyre essentially an admission one can’t control oneself around women unless there’s supervision.

Exactly. So your male employees can have closed door meetings with you but not your female employees, and yet you claim women aren’t placed at a disadvantage in the workplace?

[BeaverFever]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

martin14 martin14:

xerxes xerxes:

Those rules only insulate you from comitting adultery. Not to mention that theyre essentially an admission one can’t control oneself around women unless there’s supervision.

No you also get insulated from false accusations of sexual harassment.

Bingo!

Only a certain type of person has to worry about that in the first place.

[BartSimpson]

Tricks Tricks:

If sexually assaulting women is "being a man of their times" your entire generation should be ashamed of themselves.

No, not at all. They simply need to change with the times is all.

I say that because some day some little fuck is going to condemn YOU for doing something that right now is accepted as perfectly normal.

You're not doing anything wrong right now and therefore you have nothing to be ashamed of forty years from now when some pious little shit comes after you for whatever outrage is fashionable in the year 2057.

But you do change with the times.

I've long organized my behavior so as to prevent the opportunity for false accusations against my character. I really didn't do this consciously, it was just a measured reaction to events around me.

Billy Graham and Mike Pence put these practices in words and therefore deserve the credit for them.

It's all good advice and I encourage you to do the same.

[BartSimpson]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Only a certain type of person has to worry about that in the first place.

You mean men?