[martin14]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Why a visit from the Haitian government has Quebec immigration lawyers worried

This is funny, you really don't get it, do you ?

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Haiti's Foreign Affairs Minister Antonio Rodrigue and Stéphanie Auguste, the minister for nationals living abroad, met with Mayor Denis Coderre after arriving in Montreal on Tuesday. The pair had even hoped to meet with asylum seekers staying at the Olympic Stadium, Rodrigue told a news conference alongside Coderre.

In the end, they did not visit the stadium, said a spokesperson for PRAIDA, the provincial organization that assists arrivals to Quebec in their first months.

Of course they didn't visit the stadium, having the Haitian ministers going in and
telling them they are going home would cause a riot.

No, they are there to provide the lawyers with the arguments they need to present
in front of the 'refugee' hearings. Haiti doesn't want these illegals back..

[DrCaleb]

martin14 martin14:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Why a visit from the Haitian government has Quebec immigration lawyers worried

This is funny, you really don't get it, do you ?

$1:

Haiti's Foreign Affairs Minister Antonio Rodrigue and Stéphanie Auguste, the minister for nationals living abroad, met with Mayor Denis Coderre after arriving in Montreal on Tuesday. The pair had even hoped to meet with asylum seekers staying at the Olympic Stadium, Rodrigue told a news conference alongside Coderre.

In the end, they did not visit the stadium, said a spokesperson for PRAIDA, the provincial organization that assists arrivals to Quebec in their first months.

Of course they didn't visit the stadium, having the Haitian ministers going in and
telling them they are going home would cause a riot.

No, they are there to provide the lawyers with the arguments they need to present
in front of the 'refugee' hearings. Haiti doesn't want these illegals back..

I get it. I just am not afraid of people who are different than me. And you forgot the important part of the article:

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The visit, however, is still cause for concern, said Jean-Sébastien Boudreault, head of the Quebec Association of Immigration Lawyers. He said any contact with the Haitian government could compromise the safety and privacy of those seeking refuge from the country.

"We need to make sure, first and foremost, that we are protecting the people we are supposed to be protecting, which are the people who are seeking a refugee status," Boudreau said in an interview.

That's why they didn't visit the stadium.

[N_Fiddledog]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

martin14 martin14:

Entering the country illegally should be automatic deportation.

The problem then is that sometimes, refugees have no choice but to enter illegally. And that's the loophole the Haitians and others are exploiting. International law requires signatory countries to allow a person crossing illegally and claiming refugee status to have a hearing to determine whether they are actually refugees.

You forgot an important link in the chain, Doc.

The law says refugees have to claim asylum at the first 'safe country' they come to.

They can't asylum shop from one to the other, but that's what they're doing. They stop at America then they jump the border into canada.

When they do that they break the law. The Trudeau Liberals gave them the ol' *wink, wink, nudge, nudge* that they won't push it is all.

We didn't hear about this border-jumpers loophole under the previous regime. Why was that? Let me answer that for you. It was because the wannabe illegals knew it wouldn't work.

[N_Fiddledog]

Also, it's important to notice that since Justin has given illegals (and let's stop pretending this current batch of invaders is anything else) a nod and a wink to pass, the Canadian system has become swamped. They can't deal with this mass invasion. It no longer appears to be processing for distinction of status. It's more just a matter of taking names and getting them into system. They're not being deported now. The deportations the article spoke of were 2 years ago.

The tens (soon hundreds) of illegals exploiting Justin's border-jumpers' loophole may technically be waiting to have their claims processed, but is their anybody out there who's dealt with Canadian bureaucracy who thinks that's going to happen this decade...or the next...or at all?

This batch of illegals are here now until a bureaucracy that's swamped to the point of uselessness and was never that effective gets around to dealing with them. They're here, at least until Canadians vote a Prime Minister in for something more than his bloodlines and his curly hair.

[Robair]

When was the "nod and wink"???

What I've read in the news is the Liberals encouraging them to file for refugee status in the US first.

[CharlesAnthony]

Robair Robair:

Brah, Coach, Charles... ...anybody else on this thread with a similar mindset:

Kindly explain to me what you think the difference is between an immigrant and a refugee.

I would be happy to explain what I think the difference AFTER you answer my questions:

What is a Canadian?

What do you think the difference is between a Canadian patriot and a Canadian traitor? Which 1 are you?

Why do you care what I think?


DISCLAIMER: I am Canadian. I was born here, the son of immigrants. Having moved to Quebec a few years ago, I am an immigrant myself now too.

[N_Fiddledog]

Robair Robair:

When was the "nod and wink"???

What I've read in the news is the Liberals encouraging them to file for refugee status in the US first.

Under previous regimes Immigrants did not bother to attempt to exploit this border-jumpers' loophole we've seen used to allow rule breakers to circumnavigate the law.

Now it is exploited. Technically it's against the law to asylum shop. For example stopping in America then moving on to Canada to make a claim here when it becomes clear phony refugee claims aren't going to work in America any more.

So it's against the law to do it, but 'jump the border anyway, use this loophole, that wasn't used in the past.

Just to process your claim, of course ." *nudge, nudge, wink, wink*

Get it?

[Robair]

I get it, and I disagree.

The Liberals have been publicly encouraging the "refugees" to make their claims in the US. Because that is what the law requires. We will be able to throw away most of these claims based on that fact alone.

In my opinion, the current influx of refugees is due to a change in American policies and the spread of misinformation. Not any kind of nudge nudge wink wink from the Canadian government.

[N_Fiddledog]

Sorry Robair, but I don't think you do get it. Let me try again.

If the Liberals are encouraging them to make the claim in America first, and they're invading into Canada anyway, they're breaking the law.

If they're jumping the border away from official crossings so they don't get sent back, because there's some newly discovered legal loophole, well then rather than have shuttle buses to illegal border crossings where gazebos have been set up to process refugee claims, we should just tell them to turn around, and even if they do make it across the border they should be made to realize they've broken the law by being thrown in the slammer and will be prosecuted under border jumping law, whether they later process their bogus refugee claim under the border jumpers' loophole or not.

If you don't know what I mean by prosecute border jumpers, try this the other way - North to South. Jump the border into America and tell the nice gentleman behind the baqdge there you're a refugee. There will be no *nudge, nudge/wink, wink* "of course you are, step over here to the gazebo friend." I can pretty much guarantee you that.

Oh...and don't drop the soap.

[Robair]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Sorry Robair, but I don't think you do get it. Let me try again.

If the Liberals are encouraging them to make the claim in America first, and they're invading into Canada anyway, they're breaking the law.

Which is why they are arrested. Immediately.

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

If they're jumping the border away from official crossings so they don't get sent back, because there's some newly discovered legal loophole, well then rather than have shuttle buses to illegal border crossings where gazebos have been set up to process refugee claims, we should just tell them to turn around, and even if they do make it across the border they should be made to realize they've broken the law by being thrown in the slammer and will be prosecuted under border jumping law, whether they later process their bogus refugee claim under the border jumpers' loophole or not.

There's no newly discovered loophole. Nothing new as far as Canada, our policies or procedures goes. The only new stuff is south of the border.

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

If you don't know what I mean by prosecute border jumpers, try this the other way - North to South. Jump the border into America and tell the nice gentleman behind the baqdge there you're a refugee. There will be no *nudge, nudge/wink, wink* "of course you are, step over here to the gazebo friend." I can pretty much guarantee you that.

Oh...and don't drop the soap.

If you prefer the American way, by all means Immigrate.

[N_Fiddledog]

Robair Robair:

If you prefer the American way, by all means Immigrate.

You mean like if I don't like my country being overrun by massing thousands of illegal invaders I can leave?

I'm thinking no. I'm thinking better our metrosexual prime minister should leave office resultant of a mass outbreak of sanity at the next election then we go back to things as they were.

[Robair]

Alright, lets play out the scenario your way:

We block the little section of our border where they are crossing now. Don't let them in.

So they cross in another spot that's harder to detect and so on and so on. It's the world's longest undefended border. They will find a way in and we won't know where they are.

Hell, I've had buddies get lost hunting, go to the nearest farm house for directions and found out they were in the USA. Ooops. Time to track back north for a bit.

Nope, can't see that working out.

Think I prefer the current plan. Welcome them in, arrest them politely, then break the bad news to them a little later on.

[N_Fiddledog]

Robair Robair:

We block the little section of our border where they are crossing now.

Who's talking about a little section. I made it clear earlier the border jumping was happening from Vancouver to Montreal.

Here's the thing. When they appear at a government office to make their claim they're admitting they broke the law. They either broke it by not claiming asylum at the first safe country or they jumped the border. Sure they can still make a claim for asylum under the border jumper's loophole, but I suggest they nevertheless broke the law by jumping the border.

[N_Fiddledog]

Robair Robair:

Which is why they are arrested. Immediately.[/quote]

Then processed and released. Immediately.

$1:

There's no newly discovered loophole. Nothing new as far as Canada, our policies or procedures goes. The only new stuff is south of the border.

The loophole exists, of course.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/close-th ... -1.3300400

Is it new? Exploiting it as a mass of tens (soon hundreds) of thousands is. So yes, "newly discovered."

[Robair]

That's all because of Trump. One very good reason why our immigration/refugee policies have always been close to that of the US is because we share an unprotected border.

If the policies are vastly different you are inevitably going to get what we are experiencing now.

So what's your solution? Guard the border from Vancouver to Montreal?