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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 1:06 pm
 


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Apples and Oranges. When people start conducting abortions as a trophy sport I'll be on your side.

But let's not change the topic.


I don't agree with the apple and oranges part but how you've come on the thread via trophy hunting does make sense. [B-o]


This might also be the scientific reason:
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The Science Of Why You Are So Upset About Cecil The Lion

by Judd Legum Jul 29, 2015 2:12pm

The brutal killing of Cecil the lion in Zimbabwe by an American dentist has been met with a torrent of anger worldwide. Many celebrities, including Judd Apatow, Mayim Bialik, Olivia Wilde, and Ricky Gervais, have weighed in to express their disgust. The deceased lion was trending on Twitter.

In a now-viral video of Tuesday’s episode of Jimmy Kimmel Live, late-night host Jimmy Kimmel was so upset he nearly broke down in tears.

Intuitively, the uproar over the lion’s murder makes sense. The story is awful.

But it does raise a tricky question: Why, exactly, are people so upset about the death of this specific animal?

To answer this question, ThinkProgress consulted Ernest Small, a Ph.D with the Canadian government who specializes in biodiversity. Small has recently published two peer-reviewed papers on the topic of why humans favor some animals over others.

People don’t like most species of animals

Small writes that “most humans are… not just ignorant of but indifferent to almost all of the species on the planet.” In fact, people are “biophobic” meaning they are “slightly to extremely negative towards the majority of species they encounter.”

For example, “Amphibians are the most threatened of the groups of vertebrate animals with perhaps one-third of species on the verge of extinction.” But most people don’t really know or care about it because “most are unattractive.”

“A memorable Grimm’s fairy tale required a young girl to kiss a toad to find her Prince Charming, reflecting the disgust that most people have for these species,” Small writes.

Similarly, “the majority of the world’s threatened species are insects, but except for butterflies and bees, most are usually perceived very negatively.”

Instead, even most “animal lovers,” reserve their positive feeling about animals to those that “have characteristics valued by the human psyche.”

The animals that people do like

According to Small, “the public, politicians, scientists, the media and conservation organisations are extremely sympathetic to a select number of well-known and admired species, variously called flagship, charismatic, iconic, emblematic, marquee and poster species.” If you are curious about what animals qualify, just visit a zoo. Most, if not all of the animals there are “very useful, very attractive, or very entertaining.”

The kind of species that are favored by humans vary but certain characteristics are particularly helpful:

The most universally admired physical characteristic is size: huge creatures elicit great respect, whereas the majority of species, which are small, tend to be ignored. Glamorous appearance is critical for sympathetic attention, and there are numerous features such as colour and impressive architecture that contribute to what makes a species attractive.

There is a name for these kind of animals: “charismatic megafauna.” These animals “are usually at least the size of a large dog, and generally larger than a man. They are mostly very photogenic.”

Why Cecil generates so much emotion

“You can’t get much more charismatic than a lion,” Small noted in an interview with ThinkProgress. “Here we are as humans getting very excited about charismatic animals. We never think about all the pain we cause to billions of sentient creatures.”

Another helpful feature of Cecil: he has a name. Many of the traits we admire in animals are those that bear some similarity to humans. Lions already have plenty of human-like qualities, forward facing eyes and a strong parent-child bond for example. An actual human name is icing on the cake.

“We are blind to so much suffering that goes on with so many animals yet so cognizant of this,” Small said.

Despite studying the issue extensively as an academic, Small isn’t immune from the same feeling everyone else has about Cecil’s death. “I was disgusted frankly. If there was a lynch mob I’d probably join it,” he said, acknowledging the irony.

Selective outrage, Small posits, is human nature and is not limited to the animal world. For example, “If we see a baby being treated cruelly. If we see a wino or a bum who is in obvious need of help we tend to look the other way. It’s just our nature.”

The consequences

Favoring a small number of animal species and ignoring most others is not without its advantages. The use of iconic animals is extremely important to the fundraising efforts of conservation groups. “Save-the-Tiger campaigns are popular, and have attracted considerable funds,” Small notes. In 2010, Leonardo di Caprio donated $1 million to save tigers. Funding like this can enable conservations of large areas of land that can end up benefiting more species than just tigers.

Small argues that we don’t need to “suppress” our empathy to animals like Cecil, but rather “moderate our prejudices with understanding for the value of all species, for the long-term welfare of humanity and our planet.”


http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/0 ... l-outrage/


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I thought Jimmy cried because the lion was someone he could relate to, unlike people in Syria or black kids shot by American cops.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 1:12 pm
 


I would +5 you for taking the time to post this to/for me and doing it in a way that was positive. Thank you. [B-o]


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:09 pm
 


This wasn't a hunt it was an ambush.


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I thought Jimmy cried because the lion was someone he could relate to, unlike people in Syria or black kids shot by American cops.


Like I said, if you don't get it, you can't explain it.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:28 pm
 


Yeah we do get it Zipperfish you are concerned about an animal being killed by a POS and there is nothing wrong with being outraged over this killing. Thing is you are not even close to being as outraged over the killing of humans. So yes we do not understand why but we do understand you can not explain it.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:30 pm
 


I clearly do not understand it. None of Robert Mugabe's killings in Zimbabwe have inspired this much outrage in two days.


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Yeah we do get it Zipperfish you are more concerned about an animal and there is nothing wrong with being outraged over this killing. Thing is you are not even close to being as outraged over the killing of humans. So yes we do not understand why but we do understand you can not explain it.


Now and then someone gets dragged into court for torturing neighbourhood pets. Happens quite often. They are generally bewildered as to why they are in trouble. After all, we're talking dogs and cats, not humans. They dion't understand why people are so angry about them killing animals. You can't explain to these people that normal people abhor senseless cruelty. they will simply never get it.

In another example, a beautiful six-year old giel died this weekend when her boat capsized. People were sad. It's too bad they didn't have you there to admonish them that why were they sad for this one little girl when millions of unborn children are murdered every year.


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DanSC DanSC:
I clearly do not understand it. None of Robert Mugabe's killings in Zimbabwe have inspired this much outrage in two days.


No. Neither you, nor Stratos nor Bart. Must be a teabagger thing.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:34 pm
 


BRAH BRAH:
This wasn't a hunt it was an ambush.


It was not at all sporting, true. But then my last chicken sandwich and the last rib-eye steak I had weren't very sporting, either. :idea:


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:39 pm
 


Zipperfish Zipperfish:
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I clearly do not understand it. None of Robert Mugabe's killings in Zimbabwe have inspired this much outrage in two days.


No. Neither you, nor Stratos nor Bart. Must be a teabagger thing.


Down here there's a growing suspicion that this is blowing up in the media as a way to get an alternate headline to replace the story about Planned Parenthood.

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Just to be clear, if the guy truly violated the law in Zimbabwe then if the USA has an extradition treaty with Zimbabwe then I'm okay with him being sent there to face justice so long as everyone involved realizes that he'll face a defacto death penalty.

Even if he doesn't get prosecuted this whole shitstorm still means the end of Zimbabwe's trophy hunting industry - which is a key source of income for that country and it particularly funds their parks and wildlife preserves.

Meaning that the irony of this one prosecution may well mean the wanton slaughter of no end of wildlife as game wardens lose their jobs due to a lack of funding.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:51 pm
 


Zipperfish Zipperfish:
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Yeah we do get it Zipperfish you are more concerned about an animal and there is nothing wrong with being outraged over this killing. Thing is you are not even close to being as outraged over the killing of humans. So yes we do not understand why but we do understand you can not explain it.


Now and then someone gets dragged into court for torturing neighbourhood pets. Happens quite often. They are generally bewildered as to why they are in trouble. After all, we're talking dogs and cats, not humans. They dion't understand why people are so angry about them killing animals. You can't explain to these people that normal people abhor senseless cruelty. they will simply never get it.

In another example, a beautiful six-year old giel died this weekend when her boat capsized. People were sad. It's too bad they didn't have you there to admonish them that why were they sad for this one little girl when millions of unborn children are murdered every year.


And your point being is?

Because your above does not go along with what I said. You implied that you are far more concerned about the killing of the lion over the killing of human beings. Telling me that I just don't get it. I agree I do not "get it"

Where for myself I have agreed that it was a despicable act. Thus your first paragraph is meaningless.

Yet I admit I feel more outrage over the death of humans then I do over animals. Making your second paragraph just as meaningless.

I'll also respond this way to bad you were not there admonishing the people for being sad over the girl but not sad over all the animals being killed. You have shown only anger over the death of the lion and not of the killing of people.




Yet here we go once again going off topic.


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And your point being is?

Because your above does not go along with what I said. You implied that you are far more concerned about the killing of the lion over the killing of human beings. Telling me that I just don't get it. I agree I do not "get it"

Where for myself I have agreed that it was a despicable act. Thus your first paragraph is meaningless.

Yet I admit I feel more outrage over the death of humans then I do over animals. Making your second paragraph just as meaningless.

I'll also respond this way to bad you were not there admonishing the people for being sad over the girl but not sad over all the animals being killed. You have shown only anger over the death of the lion and not of the killing of people.


You can be upset over senseless cruelty to an animal and cruelty to people. That, in fact is perfectly natural. It isn't one or the other.




Yet here we go once again going off topic.[/quote]


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 3:54 pm
 


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BRAH BRAH:
This wasn't a hunt it was an ambush.


It was not at all sporting, true. But then my last chicken sandwich and the last rib-eye steak I had weren't very sporting, either. :idea:


But you also didn't bait those animals out of a protected sanctuary, shoot an arrow into that cow and chicken and then bravely run off for a day and a half before someone else killed them for you.

He should have tracked the animal till it doubled back around and pulled his limbs off, like a real man. :evil: That's why I like to bow hunt grouse. They don't hunt me back.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:04 pm
 


I don't hunt animals. It's not in me to shoot something that doesn't deserve it.


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