[Thanos]

I don't click any of your links. I never said MJH wasn't biased either. All I said was, as opposed to your sources, they aren't insane. Now get back to your radio. There's someone out there who desperately needs you to call in and help make the echo chamber just a bit more nutty.

[N_Fiddledog]

Thanos Thanos:

I don't click any of your links. I never said MJH wasn't biased either. All I said was, as opposed to your sources, they aren't insane.

I love it when they won't give up, I've got all the facts, and all they can come back with are snotty remarks. What you said was this...

Thanos Thanos:

The links in the MJ article all went to reputable sources, which certainly never applies when guys like you post your garbage from shitheads like Limpbaugh or Breitbart.

Why wouldn't you click the link to the reputable business magazine, Forbes? Did you know Forbes also published a side of this issue from the left POV? That one linked back to your Mother Jones for support. I thought you liked Mother Jones. Incidentally you would have known that if, as I say, you had allowed Dana to educate you.

[Thanos]

Forbes is a legit publication which, given her track record as an ideologue and idiot from the circus-geek fringe, makes it entirely plausible that Loathe probably linked to it by accident.

And I still won't hit any of your links. I'm not interested in supplying page views to any of the shitheads you like to follow.

[N_Fiddledog]

Oh what the Hell...because I'm such a nice guy, I'll just show you the article in Forbes Magazine.

Hobby Lobby Owners Can Have a 401(k) and First Amendment Rights

$1:

There’s been an absurd story from Mother Jones making the rounds this week. Authored by Molly Redden (who has never signed the front of a paycheck, but does “spend too much time cooking and watching television,” according to her bio) and echoed here on Forbes.com by Rick Ungar, the argument is that Hobby Lobby can’t have religious convictions and a regular 401(k) plan for their employees at the same time.

Hobby Lobby (which is a closely held corporation with a few family owners) is suing the Obama Administration over Obamacare’s requirement that Hobby Lobby pay directly for drugs which can and do lead to early pregnancy abortions. Being a material and proximate cooperator in such an action violates the business owners’ deeply-held religious views protected by the First Amendment to the Constitution.

Apparently, this also means that Hobby Lobby can’t have a 401(k) plan for their employees. Why? Well, according to Redden and Ungar, the Hobby Lobby owners are religious kook hypocrites. The company 401(k) plan has investments which themselves invest in companies that make the abortion drugs.

This is a ridiculous argument for several reasons, all of which would be obvious to Redden and Ungar if they had ever run a business in their lives:

401(k) plans are directed and invested by employees, not by employers. It’s the Hobby Lobby employees that would be disenfranchised by the twisted logic employed by Redden and Ungar here. They are the ones–not their bosses–who choose which mutual funds to invest in. This is true both of the employee’s elective deferral and the employer’s match.

The menu of choices is primarily provided not by the Hobby Lobby employers, but by the 401(k) plan administrator, who helps select a wide menu of mutual fund (and, increasingly, exchange traded fund) choices so that the fiduciary obligations of the plan are met.

401(k) plans don’t invest in company stock–they invest in mutual funds. A mutual fund, to state the obvious, is an investment company which invests assets in actual stocks. When you buy a share of a mutual fund, you are buying a very small indirect ownership of hundreds or even thousands of stocks. The most common 401(k) plan mutual funds are index funds, which invest the fund shareholder in the entire stock market (or close to it) in one fell swoop.

401(k) plans have a limited number of choices, and that’s a good thing. Redden in particular seems to think that you can invest your 401(k) dollars (actually, that your employer can invest your 401(k) dollars) in any mutual fund at all, including socially conscious ones. That’s not accurate. Plan administrators contract with select mutual fund companies to provide basic investment products diversified by sector, asset class, duration, risk, etc. This is the primary goal of diversification of fund choices, not socially conscious investing. Besides, it’s the employees who call the shots. They may not share the same values as the Hobby Lobby owners, and might have a very different idea of what a “socially responsible” fund would invest in.

Furthermore, you don’t want to provide dozens to hundreds of investment choices for employees. All the research I’ve ever seen on this has said that if you give employees too many choices, they will fear making a bad one and never deploy their cash toward any investment at all. Additionally, each new mutual fund offered within a plan drives up 401(k) plan fees. Surely Redden and Ungar agree with the Obama Administration that 401(k) fees are too high and should come down, right?

What does Mother Jones’ or Mercury Public Affairs’ 401(k) plan look like? Those are the employers of Redden and Ungar, respectively. Surely those 401(k) plans invest in stocks of oil and gas companies, defense contractors, private equity firms, and other evil conservative power bastions. Have Redden and/or Ungar done a forensic investigation of the mutual funds they are invested in? Should I call them hypocrites for daring to invest in a 401(k) which invests in a mutual fund which invests in a multinational company which happens to own an oil company? If not, consider that the Hobby Lobby employers have one more degree of separation even from Redden and Ungar. Our two intrepid reporters affirmatively chose to invest in merchants of death when they picked out their 401(k) choices. All Hobby Lobby is doing is providing the platform for employees to make those same choices themselves in partnership with plan administrators.

It’s an absurd argument, and one which isn’t that hard to dispute if you’re familiar with how 401(k) plans actually work. But it’s not surprising to see such a weak argument advanced. The secular Left is doing everything they can to drive people of faith from the public square’s marketplace. The ridiculous idea that a religiously convicted employer can’t offer a reasonable 401(k) plan is really not that different from saying a religiously convicted photographer can be ordered by the government to shoot a gay wedding. Religious minorities are under assault from secular bullies, and unfortunately Redden and Ungar are in their ranks.

And once more...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ryanellis/2 ... nt-rights/

[N_Fiddledog]

Thanos Thanos:

Forbes is a legit publication which, given her track record as an ideologue and idiot from the circus-geek fringe,

Don't be ridiculous if she was those things we know you would be standing at the door to her Texas studio where she broadcasts her national radio and television shows. You would have your little fanboy autograph book under your arm.

We know this judging from the "circus-geek fringe" sites like the far left psychos at Mother Jones or that lunatic fatboy at Little Green Footballs you actually do link to.

[Thanos]

Can't talk. Too busy loading the AR-15's into the Hummer H2 to go shoot Bigfoot. And the Park Ranger/BLM tyrants too if they get in the way.

[N_Fiddledog]

Thanos Thanos:

Can't talk. Too busy loading the AR-15's into the Hummer H2 to go shoot Bigfoot. And the Park Ranger/BLM tyrants too if they get in the way.

Yeah well, when you get around to it go back and click on the link to Dana's little red schoolhouse for the uninformed.

She gets off a witty little retort on Mother Jones. Apparently they're "the media equivalent to bar bathroom graffiti."

[Thanos]

Well, anyone who worked for Breitbart should be familiar with being the moral equivalent to the average cleanliness of a bar bathroom floor/stall.

[2Cdo]

Thanos Thanos:

Can't talk. Too busy loading the AR-15's into the Hummer H2 to go shoot Bigfoot. And the Park Ranger/BLM tyrants too if they get in the way.

You know you have won when Thanos resorts to his childish exaggerations of what he thinks right-wing people are like.

[sandorski]

karra karra:

$1:

The US Supreme Court has a bad case of being beaten with a Stupid stick.

Well, here's the thing - the members of the SCC don't get to put their personal slant on this or anything else that comes before them - their job, and their only job, is to interpret and uphold the law - that's it.

In this particular case - the justices were called to judge whether a mandate pushed out by the Obama administration in 2012 was in conflict with another law - the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, that was added to the books in 1992.

So, for those loitering in the dark, damp places they know and love so very well - to suggest, as Harry Reid did yesterday, that these nine lawyers (not doctors or teachers) five of whom are male - that the male members of the SCC not render a legal opinion on things female is totally bile inducing.

The rancor emanating from the fools on the left is based on a constant and perpetual state of ignorance - at best - which leads one to ask: Who exactly is being beaten with a Stupid stick?

Yet they have done just that numerous times.

[raydan]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Thanos Thanos:

Can't talk. Too busy loading the AR-15's into the Hummer H2 to go shoot Bigfoot. And the Park Ranger/BLM tyrants too if they get in the way.

You know you have won when Thanos resorts to his childish exaggerations of what he thinks right-wing people are like.

Thanos always resorts to his childish exaggerations of what he thinks right-wing people are like.

[2Cdo]

raydan raydan:

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Thanos Thanos:

Can't talk. Too busy loading the AR-15's into the Hummer H2 to go shoot Bigfoot. And the Park Ranger/BLM tyrants too if they get in the way.

You know you have won when Thanos resorts to his childish exaggerations of what he thinks right-wing people are like.

Thanos always resorts to his childish exaggerations of what he thinks right-wing people are like.

True enough.

[2Cdo]

Duelin_Dalt Duelin_Dalt:

2Cdo 2Cdo:

You know you have won when Thanos resorts to his childish exaggerations

Like this one:

$1:

If John Oliver said the same sh*t about a moslem firm in the UK he'd be tossed in a UK prison for hate speech

?

In honesty, he'd first have to be charged and go to trial. So it's not that far off when compared to Thanos over the top exaggeration of what right-wing political people are like.

But I do like your classiness in addressing others,

Duelin_Dalt Duelin_Dalt:

Bullshit. You're an idiot.

[sandorski]

The Right Wing pushes to the Left. Without the Left Wing a bird can not fly.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

What I find interesting about all of this is, the number of women who constantly remind us that it is "their body, their choice" yet they seem to want everyone else to pay for it.
Birth control is dirt cheap. If gainfully employed women can't afford to buy their OWN birth control, maybe they need to revisit their spending priorities.
It's just more of that entitlement mentality bullshit.