[BRAH]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

he doesn't care.....these are Nigerians and he's a Kenyan

[Jabberwalker]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Ah, memories of Afghanistan. A ragtag group of fanatics committing crimes that outrage the world. A corrupt, weak central government almost as bad as the fanatics. A casual brutality and complete disregard for the lives of others.

That's what our Western cultures were like for a thousand years after the fall of Rome.

True. But how does that knowledge help in this situation?

It took a reformation and near annihilation on several occasions to get us to change our ways. A Muslim reformation would be a good place to start.

[BartSimpson]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

It took a reformation and near annihilation on several occasions to get us to change our ways. A Muslim reformation would be a good place to start.

Such a thing has to come from the Muslims and that's highly unlikely.

[Jabberwalker]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

It took a reformation and near annihilation on several occasions to get us to change our ways. A Muslim reformation would be a good place to start.

Such a thing has to come from the Muslims and that's highly unlikely.

I know it. Christiandom looked pretty dismal, cira 1000. It may take a few hundred years more of this crap. There is nowhere else for them to go but up.

[BartSimpson]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

I know it. Christiandom looked pretty dismal, cira 1000. It may take a few hundred years more of this crap. There is nowhere else for them to go but up.

Myself, I do not underestimate the collective capabilities of Islam to anger everyone else enough to annihilate them all. It took a significant effort on the part of Islam to mobilize all of a highly fractured Europe against them 1000 years ago and it looks like the Muslims are bent on repeating history.

Except this time if there ends up being a war that unites the world against Islam then at the end of it there won't be an Islam. Angering Russia, China, and India alone would spell doom for Islam.

I hope that the wiser minds in Islam eventually prevail and give the Muslims something to do besides jihad.

But, again, that's up to them.

[DrCaleb]

andyt andyt:

Your statement would be all cars are blue. No subtlety in NASCAR implies universality. There isn't any. Not much, or as I put it, not big on, does leave room for some non-blue cars

Mmm, no. The exception does not imply the rule.

[Zipperfish]

The existing government in Nigeria is also aprt of teh problem. The president is Goodluck Jonathon--a Christian. The best they have been able to come up with is arresting people protesting the inability of teh government to do anything about the abducted girls.

[BartSimpson]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

The existing government in Nigeria is also aprt of teh problem. The president is Goodluck Jonathon--a Christian. The best they have been able to come up with is arresting people protesting the inability of teh government to do anything about the abducted girls.

African governments are not known for their effectiveness and I'd not hold this against President Jonathon as he is not as corrupt or oppressive as are some of his peers on the continent.

[Nuggie77]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

llama66 llama66:

Here I thought the KKK was founded by six Confederate veterans in 1865. I also thought they were far right, and not center-right like the Democrats are.

But groups like the KKK and Boko Haram need to be eradicated, along with their supporters.

The KKK were Democrats.

Who gives a shit?? They're racists fucktards!

[Zipperfish]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

African governments are not known for their effectiveness and I'd not hold this against President Jonathon as he is not as corrupt or oppressive as are some of his peers on the continent.

My general philosophy is:

- The people closest ot the problem are the ones most able to address the problem
- If the people closest to the problem don't see a problem then they become part of the problem.

The US--and the west generally--should offer assistance. Some reliable intelligence, perhaps. Some training/education. But that's the extent of it. No dedicated funds. No "stabilization" effort. No soldiers.

Actually, the US efforts against the Lord's Resistance Army in Congo seem to be successful--not wildly so, by any means. But the LRA is decimated, it's leader on the run, and it's soldiers defecting. Maybe some lessons learned there?

[BartSimpson]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

The US--and the west generally--should offer assistance.

Already happening.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/05 ... ped-girls/

$1:

The White House said Tuesday the U.S. is preparing to send a team to Nigeria to help the government search for nearly 300 schoolgirls abducted more than three weeks ago by Islamic militants.

The team would likely include military personnel, law enforcement personnel and others with experience in intelligence, investigations, hostage negotiation and victims' assistance, White House spokesman Jay Carney told reporters.

"Time is of the essence," he said, stressing that the kidnappings happened 22 days ago. "Appropriate action must be taken to locate and to free these young women before they are trafficked or killed."

Carney said that Secretary of State John Kerry spoke earlier Tuesday with Nigerian President Goodluck Jonathan, who "welcomed" the secretary's offer to send a team to discuss assistance.

It's unclear whether the team of military and law enforcement personnel has yet gotten the green light.

Carney urged the Nigerian government to ensure that it is using all available resources to ensure the safe return of the girls.

President Obama and Kerry are scheduled to discuss the issue at a White House meeting Tuesday afternoon.

State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said Kerry and Jonathan discussed the "interdisciplinary team" on their phone call on Tuesday.

"It would include U.S. military personnel, law enforcement officials with expertise in investigations and hostage negotiations as well as officials with expertise in other areas that may be helpful to the Nigerian government in its response," she said.

The development comes as Boko Haram, the group of militants responsible for last month's mass kidnapping, seized eight more girls on Monday.

[N_Fiddledog]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Myself, I do not underestimate the collective capabilities of Islam to anger everyone else enough to annihilate them all. It took a significant effort on the part of Islam to mobilize all of a highly fractured Europe against them 1000 years ago and it looks like the Muslims are bent on repeating history.

Except this time if there ends up being a war that unites the world against Islam then at the end of it there won't be an Islam. Angering Russia, China, and India alone would spell doom for Islam.

And even Buddhists. Now there's even Buddhists. How on earth do you manage to piss off Buddhists?

[andyt]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

African governments are not known for their effectiveness and I'd not hold this against President Jonathon as he is not as corrupt or oppressive as are some of his peers on the continent.

My general philosophy is:

- The people closest ot the problem are the ones most able to address the problem
- If the people closest to the problem don't see a problem then they become part of the problem.

The US--and the west generally--should offer assistance. Some reliable intelligence, perhaps. Some training/education. But that's the extent of it. No dedicated funds. No "stabilization" effort. No soldiers.

Actually, the US efforts against the Lord's Resistance Army in Congo seem to be successful--not wildly so, by any means. But the LRA is decimated, it's leader on the run, and it's soldiers defecting. Maybe some lessons learned there?

Britain has offered special forces. But watching Jonathan on TV wasn't too impressive, I'm not sure how competent the Nigerian govt is. No point sending help if they can't help themselves - that would be another Afghanistan.

[Jabberwalker]

... except that Nigeria has lots f oil ...

[andyt]

So it's worth it, you mean? Like Iraq was worth it?