[Gunnair]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

Maybe Gunnair's right. This just plays straight into the separatist game.

It's important to look at all the potential issues.

IIRC the Hornets in Bagotville were moved just before the referendum in '95 to prevent them from being used as bargaining chips. Or used for a Quebecois Air Force.

No doubt, but running around shrieking at the Francos is EXACTLY what Marois is looking for. She is manufacturing divisive anger with each little idiotic missive and the angry Anglos eat it up. You just watch how much traction the first flag burning gets.

[Count_Lothian]

JaredMilne JaredMilne:

Count_Lothian Count_Lothian:

I wanted to make a poll about whether they could win a referendum .
Then I realized it's so fucking flaky . How would you vote?
...
it's so complicated and all she is doing is vying for votes from the lowest common denominator in Quebec, which just happens to be a huge swath of people born from http://www.lookbackward.com/filleroi.htm

So you're insulting people because 400 years ago, their ancestors were lower-born, and oftentimes prostitutes?

Gee, and here I thought ancestry and bloodlines weren't supposed to matter when it comes to peoples' merits as human beings.

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you know what
FUCK YOU

you left out the fact i posted that I am part French and French Canadian .
why?
cause your an asshole who wants to troll my post.

Count_Lothian Count_Lothian:

Native peoples generally loathe the whole separatist French bastards .lol..I'm part French Canadian and part French from France by the way, along with a few other nationalities. A true and proud Canadian through and through .

Montreal , absolutely not. Proof is in the amount spent on infrastructure in Montreal as opposed to every where else in Quebec, lol.

it's so complicated and all she is doing is vying for votes from the lowest common denominator in Quebec.
which just happens to be a huge swath of people born from http://www.lookbackward.com/filleroi.htm

The point is this .
It's the French Canadian they are courting. Pure Bred from a time long ago but not forgotten.
Parizeau blamed it on immigration and Jews.
I was not fucking even giving any innuendo to the garbage you just posted.

[JaredMilne]

Count_Lothian Count_Lothian:

you know what
FUCK YOU

you left out the fact i posted that I am part French and French Canadian .
why?
cause your an asshole who wants to troll my post.

Count_Lothian Count_Lothian:

The point is this .
It's the French Canadian they are courting. Pure Bred from a time long ago but not forgotten.
Parizeau blamed it on immigration and Jews.
I was not fucking even giving any innuendo to the garbage you just posted.

Jacques Parizeau is not only an asshole, he's also an idiot.

I know full well you're part French and French Canadian.

That doesn't change the fact that you were the one who brought up the question of ancestry and the reference to the 'filles du roi', as it were. Your point could just as easily have been made without it.

[JaredMilne]

Gunnair Gunnair:

No doubt, but running around shrieking at the Francos is EXACTLY what Marois is looking for. She is manufacturing divisive anger with each little idiotic missive and the angry Anglos eat it up. You just watch how much traction the first flag burning gets.

Exactly. Shit like this happened back during the late 1980s, when some yahoos trampled on a Quebec flag in Brockville.

That made the news...but what didn't make the news, from what I heard the guys who did it weren't even from Brockville, and that city's mayor actually went to Quebec to issue a public apology.

[Jabberwalker]

2014 is in a different age and just about any news ... for good or evil ... can become "viral" in hours. In fact, there is a possibility that a referendum may not survive the internet ... or it could be lost because of it. Everything has changed since a pissed Parizeau blamed it on everyone but himself.

[Count_Lothian]

JaredMilne JaredMilne:

Jacques Parizeau is not only an asshole, he's also an idiot.

actually he might be an asshole but he is very very clever and not an idiot at all.

$1:

I know full well you're part French and French Canadian.

That doesn't change the fact that you were the one who brought up the question of ancestry and the reference to the 'filles du roi', as it were. Your point could just as easily have been made without it.

Ok Your right I could have made my point without it.
I was trying to show the throwbacks that listen to this shit the PQ pushes.
I was brought up to believe that French Canadians were as abused as blacks were in the south.
By their own people.
the Church, the aristocracy.

How many fathers of 12 sold their daughters to work in the rag trade for pennies an hour up north.
How many politicians Cardinals and allowed for a retarded system of education in the French Catholic school board to be enabled back in the day.
We have been fucked over and over by our own people for centuries.

As for the daughters being prostitutes, they were orphans.
The King sent orphans not prostitutes, that where the real fuck you came from.
and fuck you again you have an agenda and you are twisting the post to suit your bullshit.

this is a serious fuck over for Canadian people and no one is addressing it.

[bootlegga]

They aren't going anywhere - as Gunnair noted, this is about getting attention. Besides;

An independent Quebec would be among the West's most indebted countries

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/canada-p ... 26597.html

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Canada needs to take the same tone that England is currently taking with Scotland - seperatiom means seperation including currency.

Does that mean the Bank of England(founded by a Scotsman) will be going with Scotland?

[Nuggie77]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

What do we do with HMCS Ville de Quebec (In my time, it was Skeena)?

We could rename it the General Wolfe

[Jabberwalker]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Canada needs to take the same tone that England is currently taking with Scotland - seperatiom means seperation including currency.

Does that mean the Bank of England(founded by a Scotsman) will be going with Scotland?

Boy, Scotland is going to come out the winner of that divorce! They get all of that North Sea oil and England gets a financial services industry based on weird derivatives and betting with hedges funds. The English forgot how to do things a couple of generations ago and they may very well end up being a sort of Spain without sunshine. Scotland, on the other hand could easily end up as the new Norway, Finland.

[JaredMilne]

Count_Lothian Count_Lothian:

As for the daughters being prostitutes, they were orphans.
The King sent orphans not prostitutes, that where the real fuck you came from.
and fuck you again you have an agenda and you are twisting the post to suit your bullshit.

I misinterpreted your reference to the "Filles du roi" and thought that you were insulting people based on their ancestry.

As for the prostitutes/orphans thing, it was only after you corrected me that I realized where I'd heard that original claim-namely, Mordecai Richler.

I'd first heard the claim in university, and I subsequently came across other writings that pointed out how Richler's claim was full of it, even even though that didn't stop Richler from repeating it.

Again, mea culpa on that one.

[Jabberwalker]

Whatever. Being descended from a Fille de Roi is a point of honour ... the way that Australians are proud of their "transported" ancestors and Canadians of having their families thrown out of Scotland at the points of bayonets.

[BartSimpson]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

Boy, Scotland is going to come out the winner of that divorce! They get all of that North Sea oil and England gets a financial services industry based on weird derivatives and betting with hedges funds. The English forgot how to do things a couple of generations ago and they may very well end up being a sort of Spain without sunshine. Scotland, on the other hand cold easily end up as the new Norway, Finland.

Given the Scottish penchant towards socialism and entitlement I expect an independent Scotland to more closely resemble Venezuela than Norway or hard-working Finland.

And, as I discovered about a year ago now, I'm Scottish.

I admire who the Scots once were and I have to wonder at who they've become.

[Jabberwalker]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

Boy, Scotland is going to come out the winner of that divorce! They get all of that North Sea oil and England gets a financial services industry based on weird derivatives and betting with hedges funds. The English forgot how to do things a couple of generations ago and they may very well end up being a sort of Spain without sunshine. Scotland, on the other hand cold easily end up as the new Norway, Finland.

Given the Scottish penchant towards socialism and entitlement I expect an independent Scotland to more closely resemble Venezuela than Norway or hard-working Finland.

And, as I discovered about a year ago now, I'm Scottish.

I admire who the Scots once were and I have to wonder at who they've become.

The smart ambitious ones all emigrated generations ago. Scots invented modern, industrial capitalism ... and then got the hell out of Scotland by various means.

England is far worse off, though. They've forgotten how to do just about everything.

[Gunnair]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

Boy, Scotland is going to come out the winner of that divorce! They get all of that North Sea oil and England gets a financial services industry based on weird derivatives and betting with hedges funds. The English forgot how to do things a couple of generations ago and they may very well end up being a sort of Spain without sunshine. Scotland, on the other hand cold easily end up as the new Norway, Finland.

Given the Scottish penchant towards socialism and entitlement I expect an independent Scotland to more closely resemble Venezuela than Norway or hard-working Finland.

And, as I discovered about a year ago now, I'm Scottish.

I admire who the Scots once were and I have to wonder at who they've become.

I thought you were American?