[Brenda]

$1:

their prefered method of intercourse is abnormal in relation to sexual instinct to procreate.

You do realize that there are many hetero sexuals (male as well as female) who practice that 'method of intercourse', right?

Or are you saying that sex is only meant to procreate? Maybe straight, married couples should just stop making gay babies, no?

[Lemmy]

Teikiatsu Teikiatsu:

When I make statments like 'homosexuality is a deviant sexual behavior' I am making a clinical statement of the low percentage of homosexuals correlated to how their prefered method of intercourse is abnormal in relation to sexual instinct to procreate. It's reactionaries like you that think I'm making some ethical judgement about their lifestyle.

What a complete load of horseshit. All primates are bisexual, save humans (they are, also, save humans, rapists). The instinct is to jam your dick into any place that will accommodate it. Procreation is not a consideration. Heterosexuality in humans is social, not biological.

[ShepherdsDog]

The urge to procreate is a biological imperative. Your argument would suggest that homosexuality is a preference rather than being something an individual has no choice over. There are physical differences between the brains of male heteros, male bisexuals and homosexual. Are you perhaps projecting by suggesting we're all bisexual and want to stick it anywhere? Innate bisexuality is Freudian clap trap. Are you also going to suggest that all of us(males) want to have sex with our mothers and kill our fathers? Sounds like first year psych student babble.

[CanadianJeff]

Frankly I was going to respond but 90% of the arguments I was going to make were just made and I don't think you would listen anyway.

But there is one major idea I don't want to just let sit because I think it's important to address.

I frankly don't care how many degrees you hold in science based fields but I'm glad you understand not to take the old testament literately. But the thing is if your going to dismiss most of it as scientifically non-credible then why cherry pick the homosexual bits and leave out such rules as mixed fibers and eating shellfish?

Also if homosexuality is such a huge issue that it stands out even among the other laws why does Jesus mention it so little? It's mentioned once in Romans 1 but that was Paul.

In fact it's a little known piece of theology and the wording has been removed from many translations but Jesus actually heals a "pais" (original greek) in Matthew 8 and the story is repeated in Luke 7. The term in roman times meant a same sex slave or servant who was also a lover. This translation was removed or modified in most translated versions of the bible because it was inconsistent with faith values of the time.

Frankly I don't think you even want to listen to a thing I have to say so this is the last I'll respond to you. Feel free to have the last word I think my arguments stand on good merits enough as it is.

edit: Oh and Brenda sorry I can't give you rep for it but you deserve a big thumbs up for using solid logic in the face of such silly arguments.

[Lemmy]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

The urge to procreate is a biological imperative. Your argument would suggest that homosexuality is a preference rather than being something an individual has no choice over. There are physical differences between the brains of male heteros, male bisexuals and homosexual. Are you perhaps projecting by suggesting we're all bisexual and want to stick it anywhere? Innate bisexuality is Freudian clap trap. Are you also going to suggest that all of us(males) want to have sex with our mothers and kill our fathers? Sounds like first year psych student babble.

No, my argument is that just that homosexuality is not unnatural. All primates, save humans, are bisexual. When they're horny, they'll jam their pee-pee in the closest hole, male or female. Procreation is, of course, a biological imperative, but the sexual urge isn't exclusively an urge to procreate. Either that or other primates don't comprehend that the brown hole doesn't kick out babies.

My comment was simple observation of primate behaviour. There isn't a lick of psychology in anything I said, but the logical leap you've taken in response sure indicates some latent, Freudian homosexuality on your part. I recommend reading Carl Sagan's Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors for some reading on the topic of primate sexual behaviour.

[Unsound]

Lemmy Lemmy:

but the logical leap you've taken in response sure indicates some latent, Freudian homosexuality on your part.

So we've gone from calling him a sheep-shagger to just gay? A few steps up the social acceptability ladder, but his flock may be upset...

[Tricks]

Teikiatsu Teikiatsu:

If you consider that a threat then you have very thin skin. If I were to say "Don't hold ice and salt together in your hand, you'll get frostbite," or "Don't sit in a roaring campfire, you'll get burned," or "Don't jump off a mountain cliff onto sharp rocks, you'll die" a threat?

Proven consequences of actions vs. being told to be a good little boy or you'll burn.

Yeah that's a threat.

[Teikiatsu]

Tricks Tricks:

Proven consequences of actions vs. being told to be a good little boy or you'll burn.

Yeah that's a threat.

Yep, thin-skinned wimp.

[Teikiatsu]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Teikiatsu Teikiatsu:

When I make statments like 'homosexuality is a deviant sexual behavior' I am making a clinical statement of the low percentage of homosexuals correlated to how their prefered method of intercourse is abnormal in relation to sexual instinct to procreate. It's reactionaries like you that think I'm making some ethical judgement about their lifestyle.

What a complete load of horseshit. All primates are bisexual, save humans (they are, also, save humans, rapists). The instinct is to jam your dick into any place that will accommodate it. Procreation is not a consideration. Heterosexuality in humans is social, not biological.

*facepalm*

Public education at work.

[Teikiatsu]

Brenda Brenda:

Or are you saying that sex is only meant to procreate? Maybe straight, married couples should just stop making gay babies, no?

No, I'm saying normal sexual intercourse is *designed* to procreate. Heterosexuals are predisposed to engage in normal sexual intercourse. Since we are not animals driven by pure instinct we also have the ability to use contraceptives and perform alternative methods of sexual gratification.

Homosexuals, when following their natural inclination, do not engage in the sexual behavior that is designed to procreate. I suppose they could engage in normal sexual intercourse, but would it be enjoyable?

Lemmy Lemmy:

The instinct is to jam your dick into any place that will accommodate it. Procreation is not a consideration. Heterosexuality in humans is social, not biological.

Sorry, just had to post this again for the utter pessimism and ignorance of your outlook of the human condition and self-control. Also really sexist when you get down to it. You're basically saying all men are rape machines, hetero and homo. At least you're equal opportunity about that.

Back up thought: Stop using pop culture, sitcoms and MTV music awards as your sex ed class.

[Lemmy]

Teikiatsu Teikiatsu:

*facepalm*

Public education at work.

Take it up with Sagan. Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors

Teikatsu Teikatsu:

Sorry, just had to post this again for the utter pessimism and ignorance of your outlook of the human condition and self-control. Also really sexist when you get down to it. You're basically saying all men are rape machines, hetero and homo. At least you're equal opportunity about that.

I believe I spoke about primate behaviour, observable behaviour. I spoke nothing about the human condition, sexism nor made any claims as ridiculous as you've inferred about "rape machines".

I've stated fact. Homosexuality is practised by all primates. Hard to argue that a behaviour is abnormal when it is observably normal among all primates.

[llama66]

Most animals exibit have homosexual aspects. Look at Dolphins, they are extremly promiscuous.

[Tricks]

Teikiatsu Teikiatsu:

Tricks Tricks:

Proven consequences of actions vs. being told to be a good little boy or you'll burn.

Yeah that's a threat.

Yep, thin-skinned wimp.

Really? That's being thin skinned. Being told I have to follow some rules from 2000 years ago and worship so asshole in the sky or I will burn for eternity and I'm expected to not have a problem with that?

Fuck you.

[peck420]

Lemmy & llama66,

I don't know how relevant animal actions are.

Most define homosexuality by the emotional context, not the sexual. That being said, we currently have no actual data on animal emotional desires...so, we couldn't classify any of their actions as hetero, homo, or bi, even if we wanted to.

Now, all of that being said, we couldn't even tell, definitively, if a human's emotional preference dictates their sexual preference or vice versa.

Teikiatsu

Homosexuality is one of those things that people just need to accept and move on. It's been present in human civilization as far back as human records, so I'm guessing it is here to stay.

It pre-dates the vast majority (could be all, but I am really not up to snuff on the age of some Eastern religions) of the religions that are currently describing it as a sin...

[BartSimpson]

peck420 peck420:

Homosexuality is one of those things that people just need to accept and move on.

Feel free to tell that to these people: