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Gunnair Gunnair:

Thanks for the retarded addition. Since we're into broad generalizations, based on the fact that you find the morality of opposing the use use of illegal drugs questionable, can we take a leap in logic and assume you support gangs and their violence plus their hold on prostitution as well?

Just asking....

I only find it a little strange that you can't see how alcohol producers who supplied bootleggers with full knowledge of what they were doing aren't criminals just as much as people who grow or supply weed now. Atleast that's what I'm getting from what you've said. And the Bronfman's have never even been charged, let alone needed to be pardoned.

You also bring up how government s just turned a blind eye, much like they do with marijuana now. The parrallels between alcohol prohibition and marijuana prohibition are so striking that, much lilke andy, I just don't understand how anyone can support one and not the other.

[andyt]

Don't lean on me too heavily, Unsound. In my heart of hearts I actually support prohibition on all drugs, including alcohol. Just too much misery caused by them to be worth it, IMO. But, realistically, I don't think we can get there from here, humans seem to be hardwired to get shitfaced.

By buying his booze, Gunnair is supporting an industry that creates far more misery than pot, including deaths. If pot was legal, that death count would go down to almost nothing. So if we want to argue on those terms, who's the bigger hypocrite, Curt or Gunnair?

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andyt andyt:

Don't lean on me too heavily, Unsound. In my heart of hearts I actually support prohibition on all drugs, including alcohol.

That's cause you're no fun

andyt andyt:

But, realistically, I don't think we can get there from here, humans seem to be hardwired to get shitfaced.

Exactly! As a species, we have an addictive personality. If it's not weed, it's booze, or X-box. The only real solution, imo, is to educate the you ng about the possibilities and consequences of addiction, and then, when that doesn't work, help them get back to normal.

[Gunnair]

Unsound Unsound:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Thanks for the retarded addition. Since we're into broad generalizations, based on the fact that you find the morality of opposing the use use of illegal drugs questionable, can we take a leap in logic and assume you support gangs and their violence plus their hold on prostitution as well?

Just asking....

I only find it a little strange that you can't see how alcohol producers who supplied bootleggers with full knowledge of what they were doing aren't criminals just as much as people who grow or supply weed now. Atleast that's what I'm getting from what you've said. And the Bronfman's have never even been charged, let alone needed to be pardoned.

You also bring up how government s just turned a blind eye, much like they do with marijuana now. The parrallels between alcohol prohibition and marijuana prohibition are so striking that, much lilke andy, I just don't understand how anyone can support one and not the other.

Apparently you could not be bothered to read my response where I said I did have the same issues with rum runners before launching into your incorrect assumptions.

Thanks for that.

[Gunnair]

andyt andyt:

Don't lean on me too heavily, Unsound. In my heart of hearts I actually support prohibition on all drugs, including alcohol. Just too much misery caused by them to be worth it, IMO. But, realistically, I don't think we can get there from here, humans seem to be hardwired to get shitfaced.

By buying his booze, Gunnair is supporting an industry that creates far more misery than pot, including deaths. If pot was legal, that death count would go down to almost nothing. So if we want to argue on those terms, who's the bigger hypocrite, Curt or Gunnair?

Yeah it's more hypocritical to go to the local winery and buy a bottle of wine than it is for the local drug dealer to peddle gang grown pot to the teens.

Andy, how you can be such an idiot and continue to breath on your own simply amazes me.

[Curtman]

andyt andyt:

who's the bigger hypocrite, Curt or Gunnair?

For the record. The last time I bought any drug, was the beginning of last year and it was a prescription, after I was diagnosed with lead poisoning.

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Gunnair Gunnair:

Unsound Unsound:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Thanks for the retarded addition. Since we're into broad generalizations, based on the fact that you find the morality of opposing the use use of illegal drugs questionable, can we take a leap in logic and assume you support gangs and their violence plus their hold on prostitution as well?

Just asking....

I only find it a little strange that you can't see how alcohol producers who supplied bootleggers with full knowledge of what they were doing aren't criminals just as much as people who grow or supply weed now. Atleast that's what I'm getting from what you've said. And the Bronfman's have never even been charged, let alone needed to be pardoned.

You also bring up how government s just turned a blind eye, much like they do with marijuana now. The parrallels between alcohol prohibition and marijuana prohibition are so striking that, much lilke andy, I just don't understand how anyone can support one and not the other.

Apparently you could not be bothered to read my response where I said I did have the same issues with rum runners before launching into your incorrect assumptions.

Thanks for that.

No problem.

I'm still working on the idea of pardons. The rum-runners all seem to have been pardoned, so why shouldn't the pot-heads, if it ever gets legalized.

This thread is all over the place and I was far too unclear, for that I apologize.

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Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Some do, I'm sure. Some pay their relatively skilled employees a reasonable living wage based upon the local economy. Are you suggesting they all make $20 Bucks an hour stitching clothes?

Funny, you're worried about that seamstress in China but you've you've got less problem supporting the local drug dealers trying to hook kids on meth.

Interesting.

I didn't say that.

I said it's part of the same problem.

Please tone down on the blatant emotional appeals, I know you feel strongly about this but it isn't necessary to discuss things that way. The accusations, specifically, and rather uncalled for.

You rolled into the conversation comparing what we buy at Walmart to drug dealing.

Who's getting emotional now?

[Gunnair]

Unsound Unsound:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Unsound Unsound:

I only find it a little strange that you can't see how alcohol producers who supplied bootleggers with full knowledge of what they were doing aren't criminals just as much as people who grow or supply weed now. Atleast that's what I'm getting from what you've said. And the Bronfman's have never even been charged, let alone needed to be pardoned.

You also bring up how government s just turned a blind eye, much like they do with marijuana now. The parrallels between alcohol prohibition and marijuana prohibition are so striking that, much lilke andy, I just don't understand how anyone can support one and not the other.

Apparently you could not be bothered to read my response where I said I did have the same issues with rum runners before launching into your incorrect assumptions.

Thanks for that.

No problem.

I'm still working on the idea of pardons. The rum-runners all seem to have been pardoned, so why shouldn't the pot-heads, if it ever gets legalized.

This thread is all over the place and I was far too unclear, for that I apologize.

I have found individual examples of pardons but not an all encompassing one. Care to share your source?

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Curtman Curtman:

If you're drawing a parallel between marijuana prohibition and the opium wars, the British are the Mexican drug cartels, and the Chinese are us. China did not do well imposing prohibition to fight the British cartel.

I don't think the Mexicans waste time with a lot of marijuana trade.

My point was when it was legal and trade was open, a staggeringly huge amount of the population became addicts. To a point that China felt it was better to try and fight war againt the top power in the world at the time then let it keep happening. They tried it in force at least twice and failed twice. They actualy fought a real war on drugs.

Today we have enough problmes trying to get people not to smoke, and to drink less. Making marijuana legal is going to cause a spike in use, which is counter to all our public health plans.

$1:

This is not a prohibition success story that you are talking about.

No, but that is a military failure story I'm talking about. However during the 2nd Opium war China was fighting a civil war larger than World War I (and by some numbers bigger than WWII and might have been the most deadly human conflict of all time), the Taiping Rebellion. That didn't help China very much. (to say nothing of the Miao Rebellion, Dungan revolt and the Panthay Rebellion) However, once the UK drew down and stopped using the threat of force to keep up it's drug trade, China did follow up with an effective prohibition on opium. China was able to cut use down to reasonable levels, and restore a lot of the male population back to functional members of a nation. Legalization and regulation had a crippling amount of China's work force unwilling and unable to work. Prohibition freed them up for all sorts of fun with more Civil Wars and such.

The relation to pot is a big jump, opium isn't marijuana I know that. But opium addicts are about and useful as pot heads.

[Gunnair]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

Gunnair Gunnair:

You rolled into the conversation comparing what we buy at Walmart to drug dealing.

Who's getting emotional now?

It's not meant to be emotional, get socioeconomical and literal.

Same process, same problem.

Good luck controlling this one small sector of capitalism when you can't even control the legal ones, is what I'm suggesting.

I'll reserve my actual opinions as far as narcotics go, I am not making an apology for them but instead took the opportunity to show a bigger picture.

Pity you don't go back and review previous threads that occur during your absences. I think generally, save for Bart and Thanos, people here generally support at least the legalization of pot and the only control we want is government regulation instead of criminal control.

Turn it into a class war if you must, though.

Sometimes, just like Andy and Cutt, I swear you'd argue with your own toes given a chance.

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