[PublicAnimalNo9]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Those were plain clothes cops infiltrating the crowd, not inciting. They weren't very good either.

Ya right. With rocks in their hands that they refused to drop? And "infiltrating" a group of of peacful union members legally assembed

Yeah, peaceful until someone that has a JOB to do needs to get by them.

Yep, I remember the union strike at Dominion Forge. How peaceful they were as they stole equipment and assaulted the security guards trying to protect said equipment.
Or the peacefully assembled workers at Wicke's Mfg that beat the shit out of some truck driver just trying to do HIS job and make a delivery.
Or the peacefully assembled workers at Central Stampings that couldn't take a little criticism as they blocked the sidewalk and hospitalized a 40 something year old man.

Yep, you just gotta looooove those peaceful, union protestors.
You don't need to send cops in to infiltrate union picket lines just to start shit up. Those union pricks are self-starting when it comes to being assholes.

[BeaverFever]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Yep, they were just out to kick a few old fogies in the head. Just looking for a fight again are we? Your a bit of an angry guy eh? No good can come of it!

NO, stop taking everything to its most extreme outcome. Geez.

What the police wanted was an excuse to say to the fogies "ok guys, its not safe here anymore, we got some black blocks here throwing rocks now. You have 30 seconds to pack up your lawn chairs and disperse" and they fully expected the crowd would peacefully disperse, given that it was old fogies.

Answer these 3 questions:

1) If the police wanted to infiltrate a peaceful group of mostly senior-aged union members (that included the Union's national president) sitting around in lawnchairs, why would they dress up in black bloc riot gear? They could have just worn normal street clothes.

2) Why would such a group need to be infiltrated anyway? Need intelligence on when the Union's bakesale and bbq will be held?

3) Why would the cops stage a fake arrest of the undercover officers to extract them from the area once the cops blew their cover?

4) Why would the cops deny that the men were officers until after the video got out?

[BeaverFever]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Yeah, peaceful until someone that has a JOB to do needs to get by them.

Yep, I remember the union strike at Dominion Forge. How peaceful they were as they stole equipment and assaulted the security guards trying to protect said equipment.
Or the peacefully assembled workers at Wicke's Mfg that beat the shit out of some truck driver just trying to do HIS job and make a delivery.
Or the peacefully assembled workers at Central Stampings that couldn't take a little criticism as they blocked the sidewalk and hospitalized a 40 something year old man.

Yep, you just gotta looooove those peaceful, union protestors.
You don't need to send cops in to infiltrate union picket lines just to start shit up. Those union pricks are self-starting when it comes to being assholes.

1) This wasn't a strike or a picket line, it was a legal demonstration
2) Most strikes are not violent, but you know when money's on the table and strikes drag on, tempers flare. When non-union people gather to protest some cause, they get violent too sometimes. This is off-topic however.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Yeah, peaceful until someone that has a JOB to do needs to get by them.

Yep, I remember the union strike at Dominion Forge. How peaceful they were as they stole equipment and assaulted the security guards trying to protect said equipment.
Or the peacefully assembled workers at Wicke's Mfg that beat the shit out of some truck driver just trying to do HIS job and make a delivery.
Or the peacefully assembled workers at Central Stampings that couldn't take a little criticism as they blocked the sidewalk and hospitalized a 40 something year old man.

Yep, you just gotta looooove those peaceful, union protestors.
You don't need to send cops in to infiltrate union picket lines just to start shit up. Those union pricks are self-starting when it comes to being assholes.

1) This wasn't a strike or a picket line, it was a legal demonstration

There's a difference? Both are protests by entirely self-interested groups.

[BeaverFever]

No they're different. Strikes are not public protests against the government. They are a private disupte between an employer and its employees and they are controlled under Labour regulations and related case law.

A public demonstration is the excersice of a more general and fundamental right in democracies for citizens to freely gather and express their displeasure with the government.

[DrCaleb]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

This was investigated in 2007. There weren't inciting anybody. They were just shit at infiltrating.

Sorry, I have to disagree Brock. They (the SDQ infiltrators) were inciting. They had the masks, they had the rocks and they did not want to put the rocks down. Their boots gave them away.

If there was any meanigful investigation, then it was a sham. It's also the reason the public does not trust the police to investigate themselves. This video clearly shows the SDQ members inciting, and it took me all of a minute to find it. (but I remember it from our discussion here on the protests here). Any investigation would have also turned up this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S1nHvvkzvA

[Zipperfish]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Riiiiiight. It has absolutely nothing to do with the Black Bloc being a bunch of fucktards that turn peaceful protests and demonstrations into an excuse to burn, loot and smash public and private property, while bleeding heart shit-pumps excuse their actions saying they have the right to protest.
What the police need is to be allowed to crack right down on ANYONE covering their face at a protest/demonstration. If that means smacking their little pin-head skulls in to remove them, oh well.

So you are saying then people shouldn't have the right to protest? Any other important parts of the Constitution you want to do away with? Geez, one little protest and you're just ready to pack up all your freedoms and hand them over to the police. It must suck to be that frightened.

[BeaverFever]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Riiiiiight. It has absolutely nothing to do with the Black Bloc being a bunch of fucktards that turn peaceful protests and demonstrations into an excuse to burn, loot and smash public and private property, while bleeding heart shit-pumps excuse their actions saying they have the right to protest.
What the police need is to be allowed to crack right down on ANYONE covering their face at a protest/demonstration. If that means smacking their little pin-head skulls in to remove them, oh well.

So you are saying then people shouldn't have the right to protest? Any other important parts of the Constitution you want to do away with? Geez, one little protest and you're just ready to pack up all your freedoms and hand them over to the police. It must suck to be that frightened.

Protect Constitutional rights? Don't want to hand all your freedoms to the police? Spoken like a true "bleeding heart shit-pump". You must love terrorism and you probably cried when you heard Bin Laden was dead. That's the only logical conclusion.

[OnTheIce]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Riiiiiight. It has absolutely nothing to do with the Black Bloc being a bunch of fucktards that turn peaceful protests and demonstrations into an excuse to burn, loot and smash public and private property, while bleeding heart shit-pumps excuse their actions saying they have the right to protest.
What the police need is to be allowed to crack right down on ANYONE covering their face at a protest/demonstration. If that means smacking their little pin-head skulls in to remove them, oh well.

So you are saying then people shouldn't have the right to protest? Any other important parts of the Constitution you want to do away with? Geez, one little protest and you're just ready to pack up all your freedoms and hand them over to the police. It must suck to be that frightened.

I don't think anyone has a problem with a peaceful protest.

Rioting isn't protesting so let's stop saying that they're one and the same. It's an insult to the people who protest like adults.

[andyt]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

I don't think anyone has a problem with a peaceful protest.

Rioting isn't protesting so let's stop saying that they're one and the same. It's an insult to the people who protest like adults.

Well said. The people making excuses for the police need to read that.

[Wada]

I'm thinking that a good deal of the problem is in the presentation.
Example: When it's gay day in Toronto hundreds of thousands of people are on the streets partying. The cops play a fiendly role while keeping an eye out for possible trouble and are much more forgiving than Officer Bubbles, as an example.

When the bigshots roll into town, (Why they roll into town is another question) but the spirit is immediately confrontational. They just held a meeting at Camp David and did so quietly. Perhaps they are learning

[EyeBrock]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

This was investigated in 2007. There weren't inciting anybody. They were just shit at infiltrating.

Sorry, I have to disagree Brock. They (the SDQ infiltrators) were inciting. They had the masks, they had the rocks and they did not want to put the rocks down. Their boots gave them away.

If there was any meanigful investigation, then it was a sham. It's also the reason the public does not trust the police to investigate themselves. This video clearly shows the SDQ members inciting, and it took me all of a minute to find it. (but I remember it from our discussion here on the protests here). Any investigation would have also turned up this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S1nHvvkzvA

Well, all we can go on is the reports by a rabidly anti-police media Doc.

I'm not saying they did an outstanding job at infiltrating. They fucked up. They probably thought it was a good idea at the time but I don't see it being adopted as SOP from 2007.

Guess what, the cops are people and they screw up now and then. It's pretty easy to find fault with the guys who are just trying to do their job at an event that saw a lot of public disorder and violence.

The cops holding rocks got way more coverage and damnation than the bad guys who actually threw rocks into other peoples windows.

Really, when it comes to public order the cops have no real chance at pleasing everyone. The people who scream the loudest are not supporters of the peace being kept. They see the police as the embodiment of which ever politician they hate and treat the police with the same contempt.

Oh and Wada, I know you think the police are the Borg but Chicago is in the US. This discussion is about Canada. Mind you, Canadian cops are just as bad as US ones really eh? Canadian people are just the same as Americans. Or is it if Canadians are cops they are just the same?

[ShepherdsDog]

From what I've seen, read and heard from others(anecdotes) who have lived or are living in Quebec, the SDQ is not very exemplary of Canadian police or policing tactics.

[martin14]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

From what I've seen, read and heard from others(anecdotes) who have lived or are living in Quebec, the SDQ is not very exemplary of Canadian police or policing tactics.

Meaning that the SQ are a bunch of bottom feeding scum sucking
noone else would hire them arrogant bastards ?


Yup, pretty much fills the bill.


If I remember, the pecking order for anyone in QC wanting to be involved
with the police was as follows:

RCMP
Montreal Police
other municipalities
the Prison system

if no one from that list hired you, then you went to the SQ.

[CDN_PATRIOT]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

From what I've seen, read and heard from others(anecdotes) who have lived or are living in Quebec, the SDQ is not very exemplary of Canadian police or policing tactics.

They sure as hell were useless during OKA.

-J.