[Brenda]

andyt andyt:

Brenda Brenda:

So, we went from "why the hell should someone driving in Revelstoke pay for the rising costs of a transit system in the lower mainland" to "it's all the immigrants fault, they don't make enough money to cover tax revenue".

Nice.

They shouldn't, and they won't. This is Translink, AFAIK, these would be levies within the Translink area - we already have that.

Immigrants drove up the price of housing, and immigrants are clogging the roads. They don't make enough money to afford accommodation in Vancouver, so they have to live in the burbs and commute every day. The tax revenue is insufficient because the Liberals set it up that way - cut taxes to the bone but then government services suffer. You know, welfare services like transit and roads.

And that is different from Natural Born Citizens, right?
They all walk to work, they make a shit load of money, none are on welfare...

How can immigrants who don't make any money (or enough to pay taxes over) drive up the price of housing? I take it there are no empty buildings in the GVA, right?

[andyt]

Our increase in population in Vancouver is all due to immigration, Canadians aren't breeding in replacement numbers. The problem with our immigration system, among others, is that the immigrants all cluster in Vancouver, Toronto and Montreal, straining the infrastructure of those cities.

Don't know what you mean about the empty buildings.

Rich immigrants and foreigners are investing in Vancouver housing, driving up the price. As well as people who can barely afford to buy here, but are desperate to do so even if they are living poor because of their mortgage - they think the boom will last for ever and they have to get in on it. There's no room to expand in Vancouver, and people are resisting densification, so of course housing prices will rise. Average people can't afford to buy or rent in Vancouver, be they immigrants or otherwise. But the reason for the situation is the influx of people, Vancouver's rapid growth, and that's due to immigration.

And none of us are paying enough in taxes - that's why govt services of all kinds are going for shit. Education, health, transportation and other infrastructure, etc. But if you import a bunch of people to depress wages, of course that just makes the situation worse. More people who need services with less govt revenue - not a good idea.

[Brenda]

andyt andyt:

Our increase in population in Vancouver is all due to immigration, Canadians aren't breeding in replacement numbers. The problem with our immigration system, among others, is that the immigrants all cluster in Vancouver, Toronto and Montreal, straining the infrastructure of those cities.

Don't know what you mean about the empty buildings.

Rich immigrants and foreigners are investing in Vancouver housing, driving up the price. As well as people who can barely afford to buy here, but are desperate to do so even if they are living poor because of their mortgage - they think the boom will last for ever and they have to get in on it. There's no room to expand in Vancouver, and people are resisting densification, so of course housing prices will rise. Average people can't afford to buy or rent in Vancouver, be they immigrants or otherwise. But the reason for the situation is the influx of people, Vancouver's rapid growth, and that's due to immigration.

And none of us are paying enough in taxes - that's why govt services of all kinds are going for shit. Education, health, transportation and other infrastructure, etc. But if you import a bunch of people to depress wages, of course that just makes the situation worse. More people who need services with less govt revenue - not a good idea.

Now there are rich immigrants??? Damn, you contradict yourself constantly.

There has been a shitload of mismanagement in the Vancouver area, and I am tired of having to pay without getting anything in return. Hydro went up, gas prices went up, health care went up, hospitals and emergs close.

[Gunnair]

Brenda Brenda:

andyt andyt:

Our increase in population in Vancouver is all due to immigration, Canadians aren't breeding in replacement numbers. The problem with our immigration system, among others, is that the immigrants all cluster in Vancouver, Toronto and Montreal, straining the infrastructure of those cities.

Don't know what you mean about the empty buildings.

Rich immigrants and foreigners are investing in Vancouver housing, driving up the price. As well as people who can barely afford to buy here, but are desperate to do so even if they are living poor because of their mortgage - they think the boom will last for ever and they have to get in on it. There's no room to expand in Vancouver, and people are resisting densification, so of course housing prices will rise. Average people can't afford to buy or rent in Vancouver, be they immigrants or otherwise. But the reason for the situation is the influx of people, Vancouver's rapid growth, and that's due to immigration.

And none of us are paying enough in taxes - that's why govt services of all kinds are going for shit. Education, health, transportation and other infrastructure, etc. But if you import a bunch of people to depress wages, of course that just makes the situation worse. More people who need services with less govt revenue - not a good idea.

Now there are rich immigrants??? Damn, you contradict yourself constantly.

There has been a shitload of mismanagement in the Vancouver area, and I am tired of having to pay without getting anything in return. Hydro went up, gas prices went up, health care went up, hospitals and emergs close.

It's easier to understand Andy if you stroll into the discussion with the following world view:

Immigrants = bad.

[andyt]

Fuck off Brenda. I know you're smarter than that.

And the list you mention is from mismanagement in Victoria.

[Brenda]

andyt andyt:

Fuck off Brenda. I know you're smarter than that.

And the list you mention is from mismanagement in Victoria.

I don't care where the mismanagement is. My tax money is not spent where I live. BC is bigger than just the Lower Mainland.

[andyt]

Brenda Brenda:

And the list you mention is from mismanagement in Victoria.

I don't care where the mismanagement is. My tax money is not spent where I live. BC is bigger than just the Lower Mainland.[/quote]

You should care. You can't do anything about local Vancouver mismanagement, but you can about BC wide that comes out of Victoria. Like don't vote for Christie Crunch or her minions.

[Brenda]

andyt andyt:

Brenda Brenda:

I don't care where the mismanagement is. My tax money is not spent where I live. BC is bigger than just the Lower Mainland.

You should care. You can't do anything about local Vancouver mismanagement, but you can about BC wide that comes out of Victoria. Like don't vote for Christie Crunch or her minions.

I am not allowed to vote.

[Bruce_E_T]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

[
You're criticize places in Toronto that bring tourism and jobs to Ontario....Tax dollars to Ontario.

People don't come to Ontario to spend money in butt-fuck-nowhere, they come to major urban areas and drop tons of money.

Be happy that major urban areas all over Canada help support small-town Canada because your tax dollars certainly aren't enough!

Excuse me. I live in Waterloo Region west of Toronto. We have a Toyota plant, lots of manufacturing, food processing plants, Insurance companies, 2 Universities, 1 Community College plus solid High Tech companies. We can take care of ourselves.

You seem a little confused. Toronto stays afloat on tourist dollars, not everyone.

[Lemmy]

Bruce_E_T Bruce_E_T:

You seem a little confused. Toronto stays afloat on tourist dollars, not everyone.

and on the provincial tax dollars it sucks away from the rest of the province.

[Bruce_E_T]

Lemmy Lemmy:

and on the provincial tax dollars it sucks away from the rest of the province.

Good. I got a little upset there and was not sure how far to go.

[Gunnair]

Bruce_E_T Bruce_E_T:

Lemmy Lemmy:

and on the provincial tax dollars it sucks away from the rest of the province.

Good. I got a little upset there and was not sure how far to go.

Start with the haymakers, friend!

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Yep, go big or go home

[RUEZ]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Be happy that major urban areas all over Canada help support small-town Canada because your tax dollars certainly aren't enough!

That's actually a big load of crap right there. Speaking of BC outside of Vancouver, guess where the resource revenue comes from? One hint, it's not Vancouver. Most of the logging, mining, and oil/gas revenue comes from places other than Vancouver. As far as tourism revenue you goes, I'd guess that Vancouver Island, the Okanagan, and the Kootenays' can stand on there own against Vancouver. No BC certainly doesn't need Vancouver to survive.

[Gunnair]

RUEZ RUEZ:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Be happy that major urban areas all over Canada help support small-town Canada because your tax dollars certainly aren't enough!

That's actually a big load of crap right there. Speaking of BC outside of Vancouver, guess where the resource revenue comes from? One hint, it's not Vancouver. Most of the logging, mining, and oil/gas revenue comes from places other than Vancouver. As far as tourism revenue you goes, I'd guess that Vancouver Island, the Okanagan, and the Kootenays' can stand on there own against Vancouver. No BC certainly doesn't need Vancouver to survive.

Doesn't need nor want. Vancouver is a black hole.