[Thanos]

Don't include me in this. If it were my decision we'd still be going balls to the wall with F-16's, which are still an all-around excellent weapons platform and will remain so for years to come. F-35's are cute and all but until they get the price nailed down I say we officially suspend the purchase until Lockheed-Martin quits fuckin' us around on this thing.

[CDN_PATRIOT]

Thanos Thanos:

Don't include me in this. If it were my decision we'd still be going balls to the wall with F-16's, which are still an all-around excellent weapons platform and will remain so for years to come.

As awesome as the F-16 is, there is still an issue of having only one engine. If SuperHornets aren't the option, then we should spring for some F-15's. They are just as capable as the F-18, and would probably suit our needs.

-J.

[Gunnair]

CDN_PATRIOT CDN_PATRIOT:

Thanos Thanos:

Don't include me in this. If it were my decision we'd still be going balls to the wall with F-16's, which are still an all-around excellent weapons platform and will remain so for years to come.

As awesome as the F-16 is, there is still an issue of having only one engine. If SuperHornets aren't the option, then we should spring for some F-15's. They are just as capable as the F-18, and would probably suit our needs.

-J.

F15 are old. Super Hornets, Rafaels, Russian are the way to go.

[Canadian_Mind]

ShadowFlanker - Why wouldn't we need an all stealth fleet? And why overcomplicate things with many different types of aircraft, when we can probably find one that suits all of our needs? In the long run we won't save any money by going with 2-3 different types of aircraft so as to avoid the costs of stealth technology.

[HyperionTheEvil]

Gunnair Gunnair:

HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Lot of experts suggests more than one. Be a shitiot on your own time if comprehension is such a massive personal failing you have to suffer with.

The "comprehension" issue is yours i believe, you asked for a name then got one, then complained about it only being one name and then he gave you two, and now you want quotes. What would be the point, you're exactly the kind of conservative we were talking about. It wouldn't matter how many names or quotes he found. The same thing would happen as when this whole controversy started, no matter what independent proof you were given it would never be enough.

The difference today is that it's a known fact that the F-35 it turning not into a billion dollar boondoggle but a 9 billion + boondoggle with no end in sight.

Yep, asking for the list of the 'lots of experts' should have stopped at one in your world.

Yeah, once again you grace the forums with your periodic idiocy. Fortunately you don't visit too often to inflict it upon us.

Considering that the "experts" at the time ranted on about how the F-35's would never cost more than the fantasy price at the time, and considering that Andy asked every question you asked the only "idiocy" is yours when you ask him questions , then he answers them .Then you have a meltdown because he did so goes to show that you seem to be much more interested in ideology than facts

[Shadow_Flanker]

Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:

ShadowFlanker - Why wouldn't we need an all stealth fleet? And why overcomplicate things with many different types of aircraft, when we can probably find one that suits all of our needs? In the long run we won't save any money by going with 2-3 different types of aircraft so as to avoid the costs of stealth technology.

Considering the role Canada plays in multinational air campaigns for the past deacades an all stealth air fleet isn't needed. The bigger (and far more capable) air forces such as the USAF, RAF, AdA are always the ones that go in first and take out the enemies air defenses, their air C&C, and finally clear the skies of the enemies aircraft. Once that is done, Canada and the other smaller and less capable air forces go in and support our larger allies.

If we go in after dominance of the air is complete, and enemy air defenses are rendered virtually null (thanks to our much larger and capable allied air forces), then what is point of Canada having an all stealth air fleet?

2-3 different types of aircraft to defend Canadaian airspace? Of course not, like you said it wouldn't save us any money in the long run. We need an aircraft that can meet the needs of our air force; primarily the air defense of our airspace, and secondly to support Army and Navy units with a strike capability.

Is an all stealth air fleet absolutely needed for this? I say no.

[Canadian_Mind]

Why not? Stealth would be an excellent attribute to compliment all three of our domestic needs. If we can get it at 65 million a piece, in a way that best benifits all our needs, all the better. And you never know what other roles we could fill for our allies in the initial strike role with stealth technology that could lead to them helping us out later. Remember, the military is like a diplomatic swiss army knife. The more widgets you have, and the better each of those widgets work, the more influence you got.

[Gunnair]

HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:

Gunnair Gunnair:

HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:

The "comprehension" issue is yours i believe, you asked for a name then got one, then complained about it only being one name and then he gave you two, and now you want quotes. What would be the point, you're exactly the kind of conservative we were talking about. It wouldn't matter how many names or quotes he found. The same thing would happen as when this whole controversy started, no matter what independent proof you were given it would never be enough.

The difference today is that it's a known fact that the F-35 it turning not into a billion dollar boondoggle but a 9 billion + boondoggle with no end in sight.

Yep, asking for the list of the 'lots of experts' should have stopped at one in your world.

Yeah, once again you grace the forums with your periodic idiocy. Fortunately you don't visit too often to inflict it upon us.

Considering that the "experts" at the time ranted on about how the F-35's would never cost more than the fantasy price at the time, and considering that Andy asked every question you asked the only "idiocy" is yours when you ask him questions , then he answers them .Then you have a meltdown because he did so goes to show that you seem to be much more interested in ideology than facts

Not quite. That being said, your inability to follow along does not beg for going around the buoy on this repeatedly because it all comes back to you being a retard.

[Shadow_Flanker]

Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:

Why not? Stealth would be an excellent attribute to compliment all three of our domestic needs. If we can get it at 65 million a piece, in a way that best benifits all our needs, all the better. And you never know what other roles we could fill for our allies in the initial strike role with stealth technology that could lead to them helping us out later. Remember, the military is like a diplomatic swiss army knife. The more widgets you have, and the better each of those widgets work, the more influence you got.

Could you please clarify what you mean by three of our domestic needs?

65 million a piece for a multirole stealth combat aircraft? I'm sorry, but unless you're thinking of all-aspect stealth combat drones, 65 million isn't gonna happen. The F-35 has been marketed at that price range for years by Lockheed-Martin, and currently, the price is nowhere near that amount (ie: 200mil for standard A model).

Currently, the initial strike role is done by naval cruise missiles, and purpose built strike planes and stealth aircraft which our ally to the south has plenty of. We just go in afterward to hit secondary targets or escort the follow up strike waves of conventional aircraft. No point having stealth if we're second or third stringers in a multinational campaign dominated by our much larger bretheren.

Besides, going off on foreign military campaigns isn't the primary job nor the primary intent of our air force. Defense of our own national airspace is. And that is what must be the focus of our new combat aircraft. An aircraft that has the capabilities to best suit the needs of our national defense. The air force has been doing that job for decades without the need for an all stealth air fleet, and can still do the job without it.

If one is so conerned with stealth in defending our airspace, one phone call to NORAD command and we get dozens of Raptors screaming in from Elmendorf Air Force Base, Alaska.