[Chumley]

Brenda Brenda:

HE was not to make that choice. He provided a service.

(and I agree with Benoit on this one too )

He didn't just provide a service.
He was instrumental in making the choice a possiblity, which is why he is getting the award is it not?

[DerbyX]

Brenda Brenda:

Do you give your kids choices, or do you tell them what to do?
(I know you have young kids, not young adults...)

I doubt that would matter as its these young adults they expect to make no mistakes when it comes to the sexual minefield of growing up and expect them to have no choice and be told what to do if they trip a mine on their journey.

[Chumley]

Brenda Brenda:

Chumley Chumley:

Brenda Brenda:

Do you give your kids choices, or do you tell them what to do?
(I know you have young kids, not young adults...)

For thier own good, they get some choices. But they do not get to choose in matters that might cause them harm.

You seriously give your one year old the choice to brush his teeth (that one ) or do you brush his tooth?

Not brushing your teeth will lead to health problems, therefore it falls under the category of preventing harm.

[Benoit]

Chumley Chumley:

Benoit Benoit:

Chumley Chumley:

But not the choice he gave those kids he?

Embryos and fetuses cannot be given choices.

Unfortunately for them.

It may well be what you project on embryos and fetuses that is unfortunate.

[Brenda]

Chumley Chumley:

Brenda Brenda:

HE was not to make that choice. He provided a service.

(and I agree with Benoit on this one too )

He didn't just provide a service.
He was instrumental in making the choice a possiblity, which is why he is getting the award is it not?

And you don't think having the choice is a good thing?

Remember before you answer: not everyone with the choice will make the choice to abort.

[Brenda]

Chumley Chumley:

Not brushing your teeth will lead to health problems, therefore it falls under the category of preventing harm.

And who are you to tell someone who is having an abortion that having that baby will NOT lead to health problems?
You don't know that, do you?
So shouldn't this fall under the category of preventing harm?
I don't think that is up to you or anyone else to decide...

[Chumley]

Brenda Brenda:

Chumley Chumley:

Not brushing your teeth will lead to health problems, therefore it falls under the category of preventing harm.

And who are you to tell someone who is having an abortion that having that baby will NOT lead to health problems?
You don't know that, do you?
So shouldn't this fall under the category of preventing harm?
I don't think that is up to you or anyone else to decide...

I think I said in my first post on this thread that I consider medical reasons acceptable for having an abortion...

[Benoit]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Benoit Benoit:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Society doesn't seem to care what you think.

Think about it.

If it was true, nobody would have replied.

Don't mistake humouring for caring.

A society is not reducible to one person (yourself or Morgentaler for that matter).

[Brenda]

Chumley Chumley:

Brenda Brenda:

Chumley Chumley:

Not brushing your teeth will lead to health problems, therefore it falls under the category of preventing harm.

And who are you to tell someone who is having an abortion that having that baby will NOT lead to health problems?
You don't know that, do you?
So shouldn't this fall under the category of preventing harm?
I don't think that is up to you or anyone else to decide...

I think I said in my first post on this thread that I consider medical reasons acceptable for having an abortion...

Mental health? Kids health? Kids mental health?
I assumed you meant the existing condition of the mother, or conditions that occur during the pregnancy.

I didn't think you meant an alcoholic having an abortion, a druggie, a mental case which is not registered as being a mental case, a woman who will neglect her kid and so forth and so forth...

[DerbyX]

Chumley Chumley:

I think I said in my first post on this thread that I consider medical reasons acceptable for having an abortion...

Others don't and consider it murder regardless. What makes your criteria for allowable abortions right and theirs wrong?

For that matter what makes anybodies criteria the only correct one?

By giving the decision to the women we ensure that the criteria will be tailored exactly to individual needs without trying to shoehorn fits.

[Chumley]

Brenda Brenda:

Mental health? Kids health? Kids mental health?
I assumed you meant the existing condition of the mother, or conditions that occur during the pregnancy.

I didn't think you meant an alcoholic having an abortion, a druggie, a mental case which is not registered as being a mental case, a woman who will neglect her kid and so forth and so forth...

Knowing ahead of time what a kids mental health will be is pretty difficult I would think.

[Benoit]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Chumley Chumley:

I think I said in my first post on this thread that I consider medical reasons acceptable for having an abortion...

Others don't and consider it murder regardless. What makes your criteria for allowable abortions right and theirs wrong?

For that matter what makes anybodies criteria the only correct one?

By giving the decision to the women we ensure that the criteria will be tailored exactly to individual needs without trying to shoehorn fits.

Making use of a physician when there is a medical reason is a no brainer.

[Chumley]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Chumley Chumley:

I think I said in my first post on this thread that I consider medical reasons acceptable for having an abortion...

Others don't and consider it murder regardless. What makes your criteria for allowable abortions right and theirs wrong?

For that matter what makes anybodies criteria the only correct one?

By giving the decision to the women we ensure that the criteria will be tailored exactly to individual needs without trying to shoehorn fits.

Everyone has a line where they divide right and wrong.
Like I said, I don't think it is the right choice, but I would not condemn you to hell for it.
But because I don't think it is right, I don't think he should get an award.

[Wally_Sconce]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Benoit Benoit:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Doctors receive recognition for things like heart transplant development and thats even more specific.

A society is not making itself ridiculous by forming a physician that will be recognized only for his/her care to sick patients.

We recognize people for their work with all sorts of people in need.

Women were in need. He helped them.

Thats society getting better.

the babies that he killed needed an advocate. that should cancel out his helping the women.

[Brenda]

Chumley Chumley:

Brenda Brenda:

Mental health? Kids health? Kids mental health?
I assumed you meant the existing condition of the mother, or conditions that occur during the pregnancy.

I didn't think you meant an alcoholic having an abortion, a druggie, a mental case which is not registered as being a mental case, a woman who will neglect her kid and so forth and so forth...

Knowing ahead of time what a kids mental health will be is pretty difficult I would think.

of course. And that goes for everything.
An unwanted child will not have it easy. Forcing women to carry their child to term, deliver it, keep it, or give it up for adoption is not realy fair, right?