[Canadian_Mind]

Dragon-Dancer Dragon-Dancer:

What you do in your own private space is up to you. I for one would like the option to protest to the board when my upstairs neighbor decides he wants to drape a 10+ foot Canadian flag over his balcony railing thus obscuring the view from my own balcony (Yes this did happen to me once a few years back). I also don't think there is a need for a law. Condo communities make their own standards, you accept that when you sign up to live in a condo.

Did you read the bill? Who is to say this situation hasn't been thought of, and a clause written in saying that use of the flag has to be within reason.

[Macguyver]

Who's reason?

[eureka]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

eureka eureka:

Do you seriously think that a Back Bencher submitted a Bill without Harper's approval? It would not happen in any Party.

With this CPC Party, not only does a Private Bill need Harper's blessing, but, usually, it will be on Harper's instructions. That has happened a few times as he brings his agenda to do those things that he has promised not to do out by stealth.

You seriously don't have a clue, so please take my suggestion....

Don't talk about things you don't know about. Don't pretend like you know what happened because you don't. You're spewing typical anti-Harper garbage.

I have first hand knowledge of this bill and this MP....I know the family. This bill was given it's blessing my the Heritage Minister, nobody else. Harper didn't instruct John to draw up the bill either...

I most certainly do have a clue. Lot's of clues and anyone who does not think it has Harper's blessing is living in La La Land. No Minister in this administration gives approval, or blessing, to any such Bill. Control is entirely in the PMO.

It would be unusual in any administration for a Bill to come before the House without the knowledge and consent of the Prime Minister of the day. IT possibly might have happened with a Clark or a Dion and their collegial approach but not too likely.

Every Private Bill that has been submitted since Harper has been related to the agenda. This is a smokescreen that echoes the claim to greater patriotism and diverts attention from the lack of action on the economic front (and other areas but economy is the danger of the moment). Your knowing the member does not make you privy to the inner workings of Cabinet.

I have known members, too. That does not tell me the whys of any particular action.

[EyeBrock]

So, no proof to back up the rhetoric.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

peck420 peck420:

From article:

$1:

"I've received (a) plentiful number of emails and correspondence from Canadians who have been restricted from flying the flag," said Carmichael.

I have yet to see an actual person denied from flying the flag in Canada.

It's amazing how many people here have already forgotten about Caledonia.

Then there was the retirement village in Emeryville or Belle River(can't remember which one off hand) Ontario. A couple was told they couldn't hang a flag from their unit. The condo's "official" problem was the fixture to hang the flag had to be bolted into the brickwork. Yet they didn't have a problem with fixtures bolted to the brickwork for flower boxes etc.

All it takes is the right asshole with the right asshole lawyer to complain that it's offensive to them and BANG!, public flying of flags goes the way of the national anthem in school.

[ShepherdsDog]

$1:

I have known members, too.

We didn't ask, you don't have to tell.

[Zipperfish]

andyt andyt:

No biggie. You've just been spanking the righties lately, which is always fun to watch.

In this case I don't see what the big argument is in either direction. Is this bill really necessary? OTOH, how can you argue against it?

True, but we're outnumbered, so I have to deliver more spanks per post to make it even.

cheers

[Zipperfish]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Yet another face palm.

Why bother talking about things and places you know nothing about?

Don Valley West isn't some suburb of Toronto, it's in the heart of Toronto where we have condo boards going Nazi over someone that wants to put a flag on their balcony as it ruins the "image" of the building.


Stick to talking about what you know, not what you pretend to know.

Hey, this is a political chat forum. If we couldn't tee off on subjects we know nothing about, then this place would be empty.

Condos? We need a federal law to sort out a few frickin' strata-nazis in Toronto? Gimme a break.

[Tman1]

herbie herbie:

It's a stupid "let's be like Americans" law that's not needed, not wanted, but it will make more criminals which is what they're good at doing.

Huh???

[scarecrowe]

Sometimes an act as insignificant as this one can impact so many other aspects of life positively.

Happy Thanksgiving and, just in case, Merry Christmas.

[BeaverFever]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Yet another face palm.

Why bother talking about things and places you know nothing about?

Don Valley West isn't some suburb of Toronto, it's in the heart of Toronto where we have condo boards going Nazi over someone that wants to put a flag on their balcony as it ruins the "image" of the building.


Stick to talking about what you know, not what you pretend to know.

I don't know that I'd call it "the heart of Toronto"...its mostly comprised of North York and East York...definitely large tracts of suburbia there and it is car country. Definitely a swing riding though, but we digress....


I'm still not convinced there's an epidemic of flag banning that requires consitutional ammendments or acts of parliament to address, but the first thing you learn about living in a condo is that you only own the space between the interior walls of your unit. All other common areas and the exterior of the building belong to the Condo Corporation. I mean shit, they tell you what colour curtains you can put up in your windows for christ's sake. Flags and certain other decorations cheapen the appearance (and therefore the property value) for everyone who owns a unit in that building. Just because a flag has a Maple Leaf on it doesn't change that. Not to mention that the noise of flapping flags will disturb people in the other units who are only a couple of feet away.

I'm betting that if this was a Gay rights group fighting fo the right to hang a Pride flag off the balcony you'd be on the side of the condo corporations, no?

[PostFactum]

I see no sence in it. There is an international law about flags, and I'm sure that Canada uses it. If they'll do it law will have "double action".

[OnTheIce]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

I'm betting that if this was a Gay rights group fighting fo the right to hang a Pride flag off the balcony you'd be on the side of the condo corporations, no?

Not even in the same ballpark.

Even still, I'm betting condo corps wouldn't touch that issue being labeled anti-gay so they have no problem telling people to remove a Canadian flag but wouldn't dare ask a gay couple/person to remove their rainbow flag. The Ontario Human Rights Commission would be all over that like flies on shit.

[BeaverFever]

I don't see any flags on any condos (except cheap-ass ones that look like converted apartment buildings) period. Like I said, they don't even let you pick your own curtains.