[Brenda]

andyt andyt:

There already are Muslim schools, just as there are Jewish and Christian ones. No sign of the Christian right with torches and pitchforks.

I just don't see how you can accommodate the Muslims, but not allow other groups who might want to pray during school hours on school property. But what a mess that would make. Muslims should just accept that they moved to a secular society and live with it. As should the Christian right.

I would rep you if I could.

[desertdude]

$1:

What's good for the goose, is good for the gander, and if any group gets a right to do something else than what they are there for, then any other group should be accommodated too. Regardless of their request. As long as it is not illegal what they request, it should be homoured.

I couldn't agree with you, on this and thats what I've been saying all along, generally it doesn't hurt to be a little accomadating, thats all, everybody can think of their little personal solutions to make things works. After all what is peace or harmony but a little give and take and compromises. Like I said I have friends out in the US and Canada, who'll turn sync their lunch hour on Friday or work and extra hour.

Another example I can give you is one of my Christian collegues starting grown a bread and mustache for lent ( I have no clue how that works ! ) and if you remember I was in the hospitality industry where you always have to look sharp, but the company let it slide.

And like I said I don't think the average Canadian even has that much of issue with this, its just these asswipes like teh JDL and CHA that have their knickers in a twist.

Although I would have a problem if these people went on rampage and demand they should a right to it, as long as its just a little collaboration between the students and the school, doesnt hurt anyone else. I don't see the uproar ?

[OnTheIce]

desertdude desertdude:

I couldn't agree with you, on this and thats what I've been saying all along, generally it doesn't hurt to be a little accomadating, thats all, everybody can think of their little personal solutions to make things works. After all what is peace or harmony but a little give and take and compromises. Like I said I have friends out in the US and Canada, who'll turn sync their lunch hour on Friday or work and extra hour.

Although I would have a problem if these people went on rampage and demand they should a right to it, as long as its just a little collaboration between the students and the school, doesnt hurt anyone else. I don't see the uproar ?

The problem is, we've always been a "little" accommodating.

We're continually accommodating just a little bit every time, until our culture has been eroded in the name of accommodation.

We remove long standing traditions and culture from our schools to accommodate others.

At some point we have to stop and say "This is Canada, this is our culture and values". Please respect that.

For instance, in Canada, we treat women equally and with respect. We don't force them to stand or pray at the back of the room because they are female or menstruating.

That's bullshit.

Now we're infringing on the rights of woman in the sake of accommodating a religious group.

$1:

And like I said I don't think the average Canadian even has that much of issue with this, its just these asswipes like teh JDL and CHA that have their knickers in a twist.

I'm not religious. I don't goto church.

There are a LOT of us who feel this way.

[andyt]

The uproar is that we scularized our schools. Stopped saying the Lord's prayer in the morning, etc. Now some group of newbies wants special accomodation for their religion. You say you see no problem accommodating all religions - you can't be serious. How many separate religious sects do we have in Canada that would want to be accommodated. Including the Wiccans and what have you. And then the atheists should get discussion period or something. It's just a dog's breakfast. Keep schools secular, let the Muslims do the accommodating to that, or they can just go home if they feel more comfortable there.

[Guy_Fawkes]

andyt andyt:

The uproar is that we scularized our schools. Stopped saying the Lord's prayer in the morning, etc. Now some group of newbies wants special accomodation for their religion. You say you see no problem accommodating all religions - you can't be serious. How many separate religious sects do we have in Canada that would want to be accommodated. Including the Wiccans and what have you. And then the atheists should get discussion period or something. It's just a dog's breakfast. Keep schools secular, let the Muslims do the accommodating to that, or they can just go home if they feel more comfortable there.

Many of them are home in Canada, I would imagine many are born here. I say open it up for all religions. I only see people bitching because they like to hear the sound of their own voices. As long as it does not effect the actual efficiency of the school let them go to town.

[OnTheIce]

Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:

andyt andyt:

The uproar is that we scularized our schools. Stopped saying the Lord's prayer in the morning, etc. Now some group of newbies wants special accomodation for their religion. You say you see no problem accommodating all religions - you can't be serious. How many separate religious sects do we have in Canada that would want to be accommodated. Including the Wiccans and what have you. And then the atheists should get discussion period or something. It's just a dog's breakfast. Keep schools secular, let the Muslims do the accommodating to that, or they can just go home if they feel more comfortable there.

Many of them are home in Canada, I would imagine many are born here. I say open it up for all religions. I only see people bitching because they like to hear the sound of their own voices. As long as it does not effect the actual efficiency of the school let them go to town.

Let's keep religion, all religion, out of schools.

Let's focus on the basics. Let the parents worry about religion and if it comes up during other classes, so be it.

It should not be a focus or a part of our education system.

[Dragon-Dancer]

andyt andyt:

Macguyver Macguyver:

PJB PJB:

Perhaps Muslims that want religion in school should start their own schools. There are Catholic schools, which my children attend, there are Jewish schools. Why not Muslim schools? They can get enough people together and create their own.

That might work if everyone is prepared to accept a Muslim school as a Muslim school. Unfortunately the Christian Right tend to think of those schools as "terrorist" training centers.

There already are Muslim schools, just as there are Jewish and Christian ones. No sign of the Christian right with torches and pitchforks.

I just don't see how you can accommodate the Muslims, but not allow other groups who might want to pray during school hours on school property. But what a mess that would make. Muslims should just accept that they moved to a secular society and live with it. As should the Christian right.

Christian prayer isn't tied to a specific time of day so why would they need accommodating? This is so much a non-issue, the Muslim community pays for the use of the space and gives permission to their kids who attend so who's this really hurt? they aren't demanding anything, the school offered the use of the space so these students would be encouraged to return to class when finished. Secular or non-secular as long as nobody is forced to participate it's all good.

In fact it's better than the catholic separate school I had to attend in that light. That was my parent's choice though, not much I could have done about it.

[Brenda]

Well, since Canada is secular, this is not about religion, but about a group of people that has a certain time-line to do something, right?
What about breastfeeding in school? Or using a breast pump? Kids gotta eat, no? Do these teen moms have to wait till school is out or till lunch is there to pump, or can they have their children over when they are hungry?

(Yes, I know, over the top, but imo, so is this "skipping school to pray"-thing)

[martin14]

Dragon-Dancer Dragon-Dancer:

Christian prayer isn't tied to a specific time of day so why would they need accommodating?

Because Islam is...

$1:

This is so much a non-issue, the Muslim community pays for the use of the space and gives permission to their kids who attend so who's this really hurt?

Canada and the notion of a secular country.
There are enough batshit religious countries in the world already.

$1:

they aren't demanding anything, the school offered the use of the space so these students would be encouraged to return to class when finished. Secular or non-secular as long as nobody is forced to participate it's all good.

Menstrating girls are forced to sit separately, lest they contaminate others.

Are these Canadian values you would like to espouse ?

$1:

In fact it's better than the catholic separate school I had to attend in that light. That was my parent's choice though, not much I could have done about it.

Yes, the Catholic system should be shut down as well.

Keep religion at home or in church/syn/mos/whatever.

[Brenda]

I thought this was appropriate

[ShepherdsDog]

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Dragon-Dancer Dragon-Dancer:

In fact it's better than the catholic separate school I had to attend in that light. That was my parent's choice though, not much I could have done about it.

You'd be amazed how easy it is to get permanently expelled from the Separate School System

[Dragon-Dancer]

martin14 martin14:

Canada and the notion of a secular country.
There are enough batshit religious countries in the world already.

So basically you're saying we should be a nation without ANY religion? While I could get on board with that because I don't really hold any strong religious views of my own it isn't really up to you or me. People are free to hold and practice their religious views in Canada unless they conflict with Canadian law. Once more, this arrangement still isn't hurting anyone in any way.

martin14 martin14:

Menstrating girls are forced to sit separately, lest they contaminate others.

Are these Canadian values you would like to espouse ?

What does that have to do with allowing a religious group to hold a service in a space they pay to use? Canadian schools have no such policy, you're just grasping at straws here.

[Dragon-Dancer]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Dragon-Dancer Dragon-Dancer:

In fact it's better than the catholic separate school I had to attend in that light. That was my parent's choice though, not much I could have done about it.

You'd be amazed how easy it is to get permanently expelled from the Separate School System

Heh, no I wouldn't. Saw it first hand more than a few times. I preferred the route of being a pain in the ass to all my religion teachers and just slogging through. It was a touch more entertaining and less of a black mark on my permanent record

[stratos]

Anyone who thinks prayer is no longer in schools is fooling themselves. Ever have a pop quiz? Every student says a quick prayer to what ever God they see fit to worship. You want prayers out of school quit giving the kids reasons to pray for help.