[DerbyX]

Brenda Brenda:

Personally (and this is a whole other twist...) I think the root of all problems is the amount of people and the square footage of the country.

You can't create jobs or profitable (social) services where there are only a few people. And there is a LOT of country where there is only a few people. Still, all amenities have to be there which is only expensive.

Exactly. It spreads the cost and increases the tax base.

[andyt]

For rates of diabetes, Canada's would include all those Asians that are at higher risk of developing type 2. And the natives, who have the same problem. You can spin it how you want, but Asians in Canada are more likely to need our health system as relates to type 2 than caucasians.

And what's wrong with bringing in East Indians. They also represent a major source of immigrants to Canada. Then, as was pointed out, smoking is much more endemic in China than here, so we'll be importing a lot of people with lung and other cancers.

Then there are all the other "diseases" of aging. Even if immigrants were healthier than Caucasians (which doesn't seem to be the case) that would just mean they linger longer and still cost us in the end, without having paid sufficiently into the system.

You can spin, you can twist, but these people are a drain on Canada. We don't need them and shouldn't let them in.

[Brenda]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Plus we got Brenda.

Which is a good thing according to some, not so good according to others, and the majority just does not give a damn

[DerbyX]

andyt andyt:

For rates of diabetes, Canada's would include all those Asians that are at higher risk of developing type 2. And the natives, who have the same problem. You can spin it how you want, but Asians in Canada are more likely to need our health system as relates to type 2 than caucasians.

And what's wrong with bringing in East Indians. They also represent a major source of immigrants to Canada. Then, as was pointed out, smoking is much more endemic in China than here, so we'll be importing a lot of people with lung and other cancers.

Then there are all the other "diseases" of aging. Even if immigrants were healthier than Caucasians (which doesn't seem to be the case) that would just mean they linger longer and still cost us in the end, without having paid sufficiently into the system.

You can spin, you can twist, but these people are a drain on Canada. We don't need them and shouldn't let them in.

Now its "we don't need them" rather then just the elderly eh?

You can spin your crap all you want but it is just anti-immigrant bigotry.

[andyt]

Brenda Brenda:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Plus we got Brenda.

Which is a good thing according to some, not so good according to others, and the majority just does not give a damn

You didn't bring your mom and dad to Canada, and seem to have no intention of doing so. So that's good. Hubby must have a good job, since you bought a house, so that's good. You write good English, (better than a lot of native born Canadians) so that's good. If you're a successful immigrant, that's a good thing. Just keep moeder and vader and oma over there please.

[DerbyX]

Perhaps if we eliminated the minimum wage and paid all non-skilled workers only a slave wage then the immigrants would all want to leave.

[andyt]

DerbyX DerbyX:

andyt andyt:

For rates of diabetes, Canada's would include all those Asians that are at higher risk of developing type 2. And the natives, who have the same problem. You can spin it how you want, but Asians in Canada are more likely to need our health system as relates to type 2 than caucasians.

And what's wrong with bringing in East Indians. They also represent a major source of immigrants to Canada. Then, as was pointed out, smoking is much more endemic in China than here, so we'll be importing a lot of people with lung and other cancers.

Then there are all the other "diseases" of aging. Even if immigrants were healthier than Caucasians (which doesn't seem to be the case) that would just mean they linger longer and still cost us in the end, without having paid sufficiently into the system.

You can spin, you can twist, but these people are a drain on Canada. We don't need them and shouldn't let them in.

Now its "we don't need them" rather then just the elderly eh?

You can spin your crap all you want but it is just anti-immigrant bigotry.

You truly are a CKA pro. We're talking about the elderly, so them refers to them. Dumbass. And no, we don't need a lot of them, referring to immigrants in genereal either. We don't need the ones living on welfare or working at low skill jobs. We don't need doctors driving taxis. What we need is a rational immigration system that responds to changing Canadian conditions. By having any immigrants come here on temp visas for a bit and see how they make out first, before we allow them to stay permamently. And making it clear that mom and dad and their other kids and so on aren't part of the deal.

[andyt]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Perhaps if we eliminated the minimum wage and paid all non-skilled workers only a slave wage then the immigrants would all want to leave.

Nope, we'd just get them even further down the economic rung where it's still better than they have at home. We could build favelas to house them - what fun that will be.

[DerbyX]

andyt andyt:

You truly are a CKA pro. We're talking about the elderly, so them refers to them. Dumbass. And no, we don't need a lot of them, referring to immigrants in genereal either. We don't need the ones living on welfare or working at low skill jobs. We don't need doctors driving taxis. What we need is a rational immigration system that responds to changing Canadian conditions. By having any immigrants come here on temp visas for a bit and see how they make out first, before we allow them to stay permamently. And making it clear that mom and dad and their other kids and so on aren't part of the deal.

You said "Them" dumbass not me. You have consistently came out against immigration, all immigration, and not just elderly. The cost associated with a few elderly parents being brought in by people from cultures that traditionally care for them rather then dumping them in homes.

What % of white people dump their elderly in old folk homes compared to asian cultures? What cost do we pay for that?

Now you have added kids to the equation when before you hadn't.

[DerbyX]

andyt andyt:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Perhaps if we eliminated the minimum wage and paid all non-skilled workers only a slave wage then the immigrants would all want to leave.

Nope, we'd just get them even further down the economic rung where it's still better than they have at home. We could build favelas to house them - what fun that will be.

No we wouldn't. They come here for a better life. We just lower our standard of living and they won't want to come. See how easy it is.

[andyt]

those parents can then sponsor their other kids, and so we keep getting more and more sponsored people, none of whom get assessed on what they can contribute to Canada.

Yes I said them. It's a standard English pronoun to refer to a group of people - there's nothing bigoted about it. In this case the group of people referred to were the parents of immigrants who come here under family reunification. Do I really have to spoon feed you this stuff?

I have consistently come out against our current immigration system. I don't think it meets the needs of Canada, execept for the politicinans of course. I've never once said we should have no immigration, tho in times of economic downturn, that might make sense too. I want a system that puts what's good for Canada as it's only objective.

There are 100,000 parents waiting in cue to get into Canada, not counting all the ones already here. That's not a few.

Asian cultures are also starting to "dump" their elderly in nursing homes, because two income families don't make for good care for those elderly. And elderly with dementia or other serious medical conditions aren't easily cared for at home either. You're just spinning your little pc dream here.

[DerbyX]

Funny, despite all this Canada is a nation that weathered the recession better then most and has been adding jobs rather then shedding them. All that and with higher immigration. Spin it all you want, immigrants aren't the drain on society you claim.\

Well Brenda is but then she is Dutch.

[andyt]

And it's immigration that's responsible for that? I thought it was our tighter banking regulation and that we export raw materials to countries that are still doing well.

We could have done better if we had a better immigration system.

[Freakinoldguy]

jeff744 jeff744:

There were always jobs around here, the difference was that the higher paying jobs were on the oil rigs (they would work on the rigs but live in Sask) which are slowing down a lot and laying off workers that are moving back but still is not even close to enough as both Sask and Alberta have critical shortages of workers. We have always had an unskilled worker shortage, skilled labour is forced to leave because there is no unskilled to boost the economy and create more skilled jobs.

Oh, and nationalizing Potash was a good move, it stabilized world prices and stopped all the ongoing mines from forcing eachother out of business after the less drastic measures were shut down by the federal government. We tried to set up a deal where the price would at least be somewhat stabilized but the companies complained to the feds who shut the deal down and as a result caused the nationalization, even then they almost killed that deal too.

I'll agree with you about job shortages in Saskatchewan since they've been there since the 50's and that's why alot of people myself included left for greener pastures. Before I joined the Navy I along with just about everyone I knew worked in the patch. The jobs were good paying, mostly seasonal but high tech they weren't. Also alot of people I knew actually ended up in Mackenzie planting trees because of a job shortage, once again good paying job, seasonal but not high tech. But that's neither here nor there.

The real crux of the matter is that if you bring in immigrants to work in the menial job and service industries, you'll likely be able to man those positions for one generation only. After that their children will have gone to school gotten an education and won't be willing to do those jobs that you brought them in for. Just like Canadians. So I guess you're solution would be to bring in even more immigrants to fill the positions the original immigrants did.

This scenario is actually happening in the Lower mainland where, the truck farms have gone from Chinese ownership, to East Indian ownership, to being run by immigrant mexicans. All these people have outgrown what we percieve to be menial jobs and as Canadians now want the same things you do, that high paying high tech job.

So the question becomes. How many generations do you think it'll take before you create an immigrant who won't want to get an education, get ahead and compete with you for that high tech job. The only way you can stop you're kids from having to compete with the immigrants children for a shrinking job market is by trying to keep as many jobs Canadian as you can.

BTW Since most Potash companies agreed to sell to their assets to the Provincial NDP Govement rather than have them Nationalized I guess you're in favor of hostile takeovers of private property by Governments.

Big Red Al's hostile take over of the potash industry may or may not have benefited the industry in Saskatchewan but, it sure as hell drove out all kinds of industry and investment from the Province because of the fact that no one wants to invest in a place where the Government can Nationalize your companies whether you like it or not.

[DerbyX]

andyt andyt:

And it's immigration that's responsible for that? I thought it was our tighter banking regulation and that we export raw materials to countries that are still doing well.

We could have done better if we had a better immigration system.

To bad you can't prove that. Its certainly immigrants creating wealth that helped fuel it. They bring investments from companies looking to provide goods to a larger market. It is why companies were just itching to expand into the massive markets of China.

Oh, and your rant that Asians are now "dumping" more and more of their elderly into homes just cements it.

You are looking for reasons to hate them and reject them. Sounded just like the old Derek Vinyard rather then the reformed one.