[martin14]

bootlegga bootlegga:

martin14 martin14:

The formation of the Patriot Guard Riders
was in response to groups like Westborough.

http://www.patriotguard.org/


Escort and protection for the families.

Good find, from their website;

Find, hell I'm a member.
So is Robair if I remember well.

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

If they get a right to disrupt funerals and be complete jackass's. That should give others the right to stand directly infront of those dip shits protesting there complete idiocy and retarded points of view.

That is essentially what PGR does, provides an escort and a block.

They also provide escorts for funerals that wouldn't normally attract
the whackos. such as WW2 vets.. just a sign of respect.

It seems there is a pretty big demand for them.

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Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

If they get a right to disrupt funerals and be complete jackass's. That should give others the right to stand directly infront of those dip shits protesting there complete idiocy and retarded points of view. Just like the Supreme Court said, it's about debate. If you are talking just as loud as they are or even louder, nobody will hear what they have to say. You can also block out there "Thank god for dead soldiers" signs with "Up yours religious fanatics" signs.

Exactly. As long as everyone stays peaceful and within the bounds of whatever civil ordinances there may be regarding lasge gatherings.

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Gunnair Gunnair:

Unsound Unsound:

It's that "relatively" that kinda takes the wind out of your argument.

You have the right to say so...

Indeed, I do.

[andyt]

Shadow_Flanker Shadow_Flanker:

Hi Regina, Canadian_Mind.

I've been well. How bout you two? How have things been here since I've last been here...what a couple of years ago?

Constitutional rights and freedoms can be tricky subjects to handle. Especially if dragged to into the court system. Yes, the Westboro Baptist Chruch does have the right to freedom of speech, freedom of expression, and the right to peaceful protest according to the U.S. supreme court (with help from the ACLU). However, is what they're doing considered hate speech? This is where things get blurry and tricky.

I don't believe the US has laws against hate speech. Neither should we.

[andyt]

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

If they get a right to disrupt funerals and be complete jackass's. That should give others the right to stand directly infront of those dip shits protesting there complete idiocy and retarded points of view. Just like the Supreme Court said, it's about debate. If you are talking just as loud as they are or even louder, nobody will hear what they have to say. You can also block out there "Thank god for dead soldiers" signs with "Up yours religious fanatics" signs.

Sure, but then the counter protesters would be giving the Westboro guys just what they want. Best to ignore them. Or try this:

[Bacardi4206]

andyt andyt:

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

If they get a right to disrupt funerals and be complete jackass's. That should give others the right to stand directly infront of those dip shits protesting there complete idiocy and retarded points of view. Just like the Supreme Court said, it's about debate. If you are talking just as loud as they are or even louder, nobody will hear what they have to say. You can also block out there "Thank god for dead soldiers" signs with "Up yours religious fanatics" signs.

Sure, but then the counter protesters would be giving the Westboro guys just what they want. Best to ignore them. Or try this:

Ignore them ti'll they grow bored of being assholes? I'd rather confront them and let them know most people think they are morons and block there hate speech from the families that are just trying to bury there dead son's and daughters. Though I'm totally open to that video, I'll go put on my gayest clothes and meet you at the next protest.

[Shadow_Flanker]

andyt andyt:

Shadow_Flanker Shadow_Flanker:

Hi Regina, Canadian_Mind.

I've been well. How bout you two? How have things been here since I've last been here...what a couple of years ago?

Constitutional rights and freedoms can be tricky subjects to handle. Especially if dragged to into the court system. Yes, the Westboro Baptist Chruch does have the right to freedom of speech, freedom of expression, and the right to peaceful protest according to the U.S. supreme court (with help from the ACLU). However, is what they're doing considered hate speech? This is where things get blurry and tricky.

I don't believe the US has laws against hate speech. Neither should we.

Well, according to the U.S. Supreme Court, picket signs that say God Hates Fags, Thank God for 9-11, and Thank God For Aids just to name a few, and the picketing/protesting of military funerals doesn't fall into the category of hate speech.

Is there a standard of what IS hate speech and what ISN'T hate speech?

[martin14]

Had to throw in an update, a bit of good news to add:


Court ruling adds to Riders' numbers

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Eight thousand people have joined the Patriot Guard Riders nationwide in the week since the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in favor of a fringe church that stages anti-gay protests at military funerals.

221,000 members in total.





http://www.theday.com/article/20110309/ ... 99921/1017



http://www.patriotguard.org/

[andyt]

Shadow_Flanker Shadow_Flanker:

andyt andyt:

Shadow_Flanker Shadow_Flanker:

Hi Regina, Canadian_Mind.

I've been well. How bout you two? How have things been here since I've last been here...what a couple of years ago?

Constitutional rights and freedoms can be tricky subjects to handle. Especially if dragged to into the court system. Yes, the Westboro Baptist Chruch does have the right to freedom of speech, freedom of expression, and the right to peaceful protest according to the U.S. supreme court (with help from the ACLU). However, is what they're doing considered hate speech? This is where things get blurry and tricky.

I don't believe the US has laws against hate speech. Neither should we.

Well, according to the U.S. Supreme Court, picket signs that say God Hates Fags, Thank God for 9-11, and Thank God For Aids just to name a few, and the picketing/protesting of military funerals doesn't fall into the category of hate speech.

Is there a standard of what IS hate speech and what ISN'T hate speech?

$1:

Laws prohibiting hate speech outside of obscenity, defamation and incitement to riot are illegal in the United States.[36][37][38] The United States federal government and state governments are broadly forbidden by the First Amendment of the Constitution from restricting speech

$1:

In Canada, advocating genocide or inciting hatred[10] against any 'identifiable group' is an indictable offence under the Criminal Code of Canada with maximum prison terms of two to fourteen years. An 'identifiable group' is defined as 'any section of the public distinguished by colour, race, religion, ethnic origin or sexual orientation.' It makes exceptions for cases of statements of truth, and subjects of public debate and religious doctrine.

Looks like even in Canada, this would not be covered by hate speech laws. Unless the soldier was a native lesbian or something and the protesters make reference to that.