[EyeBrock]

JBG JBG:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Gee, weren't the Americans Johnny come Lately's in both world wars?

Definitely for WW II. Remember for WW I that was originally a European war, and Canada was only dragged in since it had noforeign policy machinery yet. That came, I believe, in waves starting in 1931, 1944 and 1982.

In WW II the U.S.'s position was almost indefensible. As was King's "one Jew is too many" for Canada.

The Jew thing was a refelection of mainstream thought at the time. The US was as anti-semitic as any western country. Anti-semitism still simmers below a thin veneer of 'tolerance' in a lot of countries to this day. Nothing new or shocking about King's statement.

[JBG]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

The Jew thing was a refelection of mainstream thought at the time. The US was as anti-semitic as any western country. Anti-semitism still simmers below a thin veneer of 'tolerance' in a lot of countries to this day. Nothing new or shocking about King's statement.

I totally agree with you on this post and will add that FDR was no better than King on the "Jew thing" as you call it. Is "refelection" a Canadian spelling similar to the spelling of labour and harbour?

[EyeBrock]

Nah, it's just my shit spelink

[EyeBrock]

And no disrespect on 'the Jew thing'. It's been debated many times on this forum re Israel and anybody who is a student of history knows that the Jews have been openly persecuted in most Western countries at one time or another. It's also obvious that much hatred towards the Jews remains prevalent, I'm just at a loss why that is.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

And no disrespect on 'the Jew thing'. It's been debated many times on this forum re Israel and anybody who is a student of history knows that the Jews have been openly persecuted in most Western countries at one time or another. It's also obvious that much hatred towards the Jews remains prevalent, I'm just at a loss why that is.

Strangely enough, the Bible predicted this. To paraphrase, God told Moses his people would never have a secure homeland and that they would be reviled the world over. However, I don't remember why either, or even rememeber if it was explained to Moses why it would be this way.

[EyeBrock]

I have always found anti-Semitism a mystery. There is no logic to it.

[Wada]

Agreed.

[sandorski]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I have always found anti-Semitism a mystery. There is no logic to it.

No mystery about it. You have a closed Society based upon Birth with its' own Religion and Culture that's tightly knit and doesn't accept(generally) Converts(at least they don't seek Converts). This unique Society is dispersed amongst the Nations who are largely Xenophobic to varying degrees. Scapegoating is a common occurrence during difficult times and who better than the Jews, which stick out like a sore thumb, to blame things on?

There are other groups who are equally scorned, just not in a Global sense. One such group are Gypsies in Europe.

[EyeBrock]

Yes Sand. I am aware of the history of the Jews. I don't see the logic in hating them.

[andyt]

Hate has no logic, Brock.

Your church certainly played a large role in why Jews were hated in Europe. "Christ killers." And the Jews themselves played a role, since initially they were persecuting Christians. (Something about a guy named Saul, I mean Paul, rings a bell).

And we always project our dark sides on "the other." Jews were there to be hated, as were Gypsies as Sand pointed out. If Europe had a large contingent of Muslims living among the Christians, I have no doubt they would have received the same treatment.

[EyeBrock]

My church? Don't blame me on being forced to go to mass. I don't go anymore.

And on large groups of Mulsims in Europe. Check the UK now and we had this little thing going on in Europe up to the 15th century called a Caliphate.

[sandorski]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Yes Sand. I am aware of the history of the Jews. I don't see the logic in hating them.

I didn't say it was Logical. In fact, I pretty much stated the opposite. I merely explained Why.

[andyt]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

My church? Don't blame me on being forced to go to mass. I don't go anymore.

And on large groups of Mulsims in Europe. Check the UK now and we had this little thing going on in Europe up to the 15th century called a Caliphate.

Sorry, I thought you and Tony Blair attended mass together.

I'm aware of the Caliphate. But then they were the dominant group. Once we kicked them out, there didn't seem to be many left in Europe. And they never made it to the "real" Europe anyway (north western).

And in the UK now you certainly have a lot of prejudice against Muslims. In part, as Sand pointed out, because keep to themselves. Also true for Jews, in a much milder form. There's a funny episode on Watch Your Enthusiasm, where a Jewish friend of Larry David's is about to marry a Shicksa, but only if he converts to Christianity. One of the Jewish guests mutters "we convert them, they don't convert us." Larry then makes some misunderstood comment and it turns into a huge battle between the Christians and Jews. The wedding is off, and Larry is congratulated for saving one of them from going over to the other side.

[EyeBrock]

The prejudice in the UK isn't because of Muslim immigrants keeping to themselves, it's little things like 52 innocent people being killed on buses and on the tubes by Muslim suicide bombers, or Muslims running jeeps full of explosives into airport terminals, or demo's by Muslim men calling the British Army on Freedom of the City parades 'baby-killers', or maybe demands on UK culture to accommodate newcomers on single sex schools, single sex swimming pools etc. Or the British Muslims actively fighting the British army in Afghanistan who's radio and cell phone transmissions have been recorded by RAF recce aircraft.

If the Muslims in the UK kept their religion to themselves, nobody (well I’m sure a few fascists would object) would be displaying signs of ‘prejudice’.

[Mustang1]

JBG JBG:

Mustang1 Mustang1:

Second, one quote-mined comment compared to American isolationism is not only historically problematic, but it ignores Canadian sacrifices in the process. While King's contemporary (and political) worldview prejudicial, he did still send troops to fight the Nazi scourge well before Americans.

No question about it. I did refer to the U.S.'s position as "indefensible". Do I need to curse to show I feel strongly about the matter?

It appeared - especially with "almost" attached - that you were defending/rationalizing American isolationism by denigrating Canada's. And when you opened with the historically questionable, "dragged" in reference to WWI participation, it's not hard to come to that conclusion regarding your post.