[sandorski]

andyt andyt:

sandorski sandorski:

andyt andyt:

In Britain you have multi-generations of Muslims, mostly Pakistanis who have not integrated in the least. And what does it mean to fail to integrate? Nobody's saying they have to eat bangers and mash, watch footie instead of cricket, speak English without an accent or even dress like the lager louts do. What they do have to do is follow the laws and important social mores of their adoptive country. And there should be no tried and failed about it - either do it or go back home.

Hell, a good portion of true blooded Canadians/Brits don't even meet that criteria. You're so focused on the differences that you fail to see the Integration.

And we wack em for it. No excuses that "their culture made them do it." Do the same for the immigrants, and if they're not citizens, deport their asses 'cause they couldn't keep their noses clean.

I don't disagree there, although it depends on what they've done. However, what exactly are you expecting "Integration" to be. Who one Marries/or not, what Religion they Practice/or not, clothes they wear, etc are minor issues and even We full blooded Canadians belong to divergent groups along those lines.

[andyt]

Refusing to intermarry is a problem, but not one I would suggest we do anything about in an official way. I would hope there could be unofficial movement there tho, so we don't create a totally separate class of people. We've already got enough of that bullshit with First Nations.

Refusing eductation, as discussed in another topic here, should not be allowed. Services should only be supplied in either official language. No more bullshit exemptions based on religion like allowing kirpans in areas where knives are banned or not making burka clad women take reveal their faces when required. As I said, keep all your old culture you want that doesn't conflict with our laws and social mores. Just don't always expect it to be smooth sailing going against the prevailing social winds, or cry racism at every opportunity.

[sandorski]

andyt andyt:

Refusing to intermarry is a problem, but not one I would suggest we do anything about in an official way. I would hope there could be unofficial movement there tho, so we don't create a totally separate class of people. We've already got enough of that bullshit with First Nations.

Refusing eductation, as discussed in another topic here, should not be allowed. Services should only be supplied in either official language. No more bullshit exemptions based on religion like allowing kirpans in areas where knives are banned or not making burka clad women take reveal their faces when required. As I said, keep all your old culture you want that doesn't conflict with our laws and social mores. Just don't always expect it to be smooth sailing going against the prevailing social winds, or cry racism at every opportunity.

The Education being "refused" is not that important IMO. As for Religious practices/requirements, those are not exclusively issues with Immigrants. There are JWs with their Blood Transfusions, Hutterites with girls clad in head scarves, various Christians with Sex Ed refusals, and I'm sure the list goes on. What you're focused on already exists in our society and is not something new due to Immigrants.

[EyeBrock]

Yes but these exceptions were for a very small minority, now we have a million or so Muslims and half a million Sikhs wanting us to accommodate medieval religious 'requirements'. A very different scenario and not an equitable comparison. And we take in nearly half a million immigrants every year, a huge chunk are from the Indian sub-continent and the Islamic world so this issue is just going to get bigger.

Ignoring it and making excuses is the same BS we have heard for decades now. If you want the likes of the EDL or other racist groups in Canada, just keep ignoring the issues.

[andyt]

An adult refusing medical treatment is up to them - I may do same one day. But the kids we've made them have the transfusions unless they could demonstrate they were mature enough to make the decision.

There should be not excuses for missing sex-ed class.

Women wearing scarves, who cares.

But the guy who allowed the Hutterites to get drivers licenses without a picture should get a swift kick in the pills. What a stupid idea.

[Brenda]

andyt andyt:

An adult refusing medical treatment is up to them - I may do same one day. But the kids we've made them have the transfusions unless they could demonstrate they were mature enough to make the decision.

The funny thing in BC is tho, that minors do not need parental consent to see a doctor. So why would they need parental consent to refuse treatment?

[EyeBrock]

I agree andy. All our laws should apply to everybody in Canada, Muslims, Sikhs and Aboriginals/Natives included.

Enough of the bullshit social engineering and catering to 'special interest' groups.

If immigrants don't like it, we need leaders that have the stones to point the way back to which ever third-world shit hole that accommodates medieval practices these people desire to be in.

[andyt]

Brenda Brenda:

andyt andyt:

An adult refusing medical treatment is up to them - I may do same one day. But the kids we've made them have the transfusions unless they could demonstrate they were mature enough to make the decision.

The funny thing in BC is tho, that minors do not need parental consent to see a doctor. So why would they need parental consent to refuse treatment?

They don't need parental consent. The parents are usually pushing them to refuse the treatment. The kids need the state's constent to do so - as it should be.

[sandorski]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I agree andy. All our laws should apply to everybody in Canada, Muslims, Sikhs and Aboriginals/Natives included.

Enough of the bullshit social engineering and catering to 'special interest' groups.

If immigrants don't like it, we need leaders that have the stones to point the way back to which ever third-world shit hole that accommodates medieval practices these people desire to be in.

One of the basic principles that makes us Candians is Freedom of Religion. Sorry if that's inconvenient for you.

[andyt]

Practice you religion as freely as it wants. When it conflicts with the needs of society - fuck you and the prophet you rode in on. Do you support taking kids out of biology class when evolution is taught? Polygamy as in Bountiful? Cliterodectomies? Never allowing women out of the house unless accompanied by a male relative? Sacrificing goats in your bathtubs? The list goes on.

[CommanderSock]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Yes but these exceptions were for a very small minority, now we have a million or so Muslims and half a million Sikhs wanting us to accommodate medieval religious 'requirements'. A very different scenario and not an equitable comparison. And we take in nearly half a million immigrants every year, a huge chunk are from the Indian sub-continent and the Islamic world so this issue is just going to get bigger.

Ignoring it and making excuses is the same BS we have heard for decades now. If you want the likes of the EDL or other racist groups in Canada, just keep ignoring the issues.

EDL like groups will never be big in Canada, Canada is too diverse, and immigrants actually have economic power here, and large political influence.

What is more dangerous is a balkanization based on old Indian Sun-Continental tribal customs. That's just as dangerous as NF or EDL, or the BNP.

Actually, what's even more terrifying is a Lebanon like scenario, which is actually very possible if we're not too careful.

[Brenda]

andyt andyt:

Brenda Brenda:

andyt andyt:

An adult refusing medical treatment is up to them - I may do same one day. But the kids we've made them have the transfusions unless they could demonstrate they were mature enough to make the decision.

The funny thing in BC is tho, that minors do not need parental consent to see a doctor. So why would they need parental consent to refuse treatment?

They don't need parental consent. The parents are usually pushing them to refuse the treatment. The kids need the state's constent to do so - as it should be.

Wrong. They only need the doctor on their side for the treatment they want.
Did you know that a 12 year old can get on the pill or get an abortion without their parents consent or even knowing it, if the doctor thinks it's ok? Gives them a lot of power, no?

[andyt]

I'm talking about the kid's right to refuse medical treatment. They need the state to approve.

As for what you're talking about, 12 seems too young. I would make it 16.

[Brenda]

andyt andyt:

I'm talking about the kid's right to refuse medical treatment. They need the state to approve.

As for what you're talking about, 12 seems too young. I would make it 16.

Even a 5 year old could if the dr approved... Just sayin.

[EyeBrock]

sandorski sandorski:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I agree andy. All our laws should apply to everybody in Canada, Muslims, Sikhs and Aboriginals/Natives included.

Enough of the bullshit social engineering and catering to 'special interest' groups.

If immigrants don't like it, we need leaders that have the stones to point the way back to which ever third-world shit hole that accommodates medieval practices these people desire to be in.

One of the basic principles that makes us Candians is Freedom of Religion. Sorry if that's inconvenient for you.

Who's stopping them? Pray away but follow our laws.