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Eh, the way i look at it, the trees were going to burn eventually anyways.

And you don't get much soot buildup if you let the wood dry. A huge amount of that comes from people being stupid and burning wet wood without letting it cure first. I know how much soot CAN come from burning wood stoves, it can cause chimney fires. As for furnaces being hooked up to Chimney's, I'm not sure. I would think there are inherent dangers with mixing the two systems.

And the abundant amounts of wood around Vancouver is what I meant by Vancouverites having easy access. All you need is a truck or a friend with a truck, and a chainsaw.

[andyt]

Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:

Eh, the way i look at it, the trees were going to burn eventually anyways.

And you don't get much soot buildup if you let the wood dry. A huge amount of that comes from people being stupid and burning wet wood without letting it cure first.

And the abundant amounts of wood around Vancouver is what I meant by Vancouverites having easy access. All you need is a truck or a friend with a truck, and a chainsaw.

Is your stove emitting as much particulates as 7 diesel buses? And most trees don't burn but decay - quite a different outcome.

[Canadian_Mind]

andyt andyt:

Is your stove emitting as much particulates as 7 diesel buses? And most trees don't burn but decay - quite a different outcome.

Not sure to be honest. We get the thing going pretty good in the winter months, but rarely have I seen soot coming out the chimney like I do out of a bus. Are we talking about periods of time here? Like a wood stove emits in an hour the same amount of particulate matter as 7 diesel buses over an hour? Cause I doubt ours does.

[andyt]

Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:

andyt andyt:

Is your stove emitting as much particulates as 7 diesel buses? And most trees don't burn but decay - quite a different outcome.

Not sure to be honest. We get the thing going pretty good in the winter months, but rarely have I seen soot coming out the chimney like I do out of a bus. Are we talking about periods of time here? Like a wood stove emits in an hour the same amount of particulate matter as 7 diesel buses over an hour? Cause I doubt ours does.

Yep, I think the idea is that both emit the same amount of particulates over unit time. And the buses I see mostly don't smoke either, maybe if they're climbing a hill or something. But diesel particulates are a great concern for air pollution, even if they're tuned to spec. I guess adding urea the way say Mercedes does helps a lot, but there are problems there too - for one the mileage is a lot less for those clean diesels.

[Yogi]

andyt andyt:

Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:

andyt andyt:

Is your stove emitting as much particulates as 7 diesel buses? And most trees don't burn but decay - quite a different outcome.

Not sure to be honest. We get the thing going pretty good in the winter months, but rarely have I seen soot coming out the chimney like I do out of a bus. Are we talking about periods of time here? Like a wood stove emits in an hour the same amount of particulate matter as 7 diesel buses over an hour? Cause I doubt ours does.

Yep, I think the idea is that both emit the same amount of particulates over unit time. And the buses I see mostly don't smoke either, maybe if they're climbing a hill or something. But diesel particulates are a great concern for air pollution, even if they're tuned to spec. I guess adding urea the way say Mercedes does helps a lot, but there are problems there too - for one the mileage is a lot less for those clean diesels.

Comparison: Wood burning stoves vs Diesel buses.

http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/us/hd.php

http://www.woodheat.org/technology/woodstoves.htm

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[Yogi]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

QBC QBC:

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

I should buy a bunch of old bulbs and smuggle them into BC

OMG...how very capitalist of you.

Charge em $20 a light in some alleyway
No fakes I promise I swear you can trust me bro come on
Buy a light bulb.

No, NO, NO, Sonny, Ya got it all wrong! YOU are supposed to be buying the bulbs with TAXPAYERS money and giving them away, whilst I am buying them with my own money and selling them for 20 bucks each!

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[Benn]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

QBC QBC:

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

I should buy a bunch of old bulbs and smuggle them into BC

OMG...how very capitalist of you.

Charge em $20 a light and push them in some alleyway
No fakes I promise. I swear you can trust me bro, come on,
Buy a light bulb.

Want to go halfers on an E-Biz lol. I read this and already thought of selling them on Ebay to desperate BC folks.

As for the debate on incandescents for heating my take as a certified electrical technician (granted have not worked in it for over a decade) is that yes they do obviously provide heat but I would not go so far as to say it would provide a net savings over the other bulbs. Depending on climate and insulation of your house I might go as far as to say there will be little savings from using the new ones. But those are a number of variables to consider and just my opinion.

For those concerned about the colour or how they light a room they do sell the bulbs tinted to the same glow as incandescents .

$1:

But you can't just throw compact fluorescents out when they die

OH really? Opps...But they compact so well when I bust them into the garbage bags and put them at the curb

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[Yogi]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

Yogi Yogi:

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

OMG...how very capitalist of you.

Charge em $20 a light in some alleyway
No fakes I promise I swear you can trust me bro come on
Buy a light bulb.

No, NO, NO, Sonny, Ya got it all wrong! YOU are supposed to be buying the bulbs with TAXPAYERS money and giving them away, whilst I am buying them with my own money and selling them for 20 bucks each!

So is it better if everyone contributes to everyone so that everyone earns, or is it better if everyone contributes to you so they may earn (but never the full amount of what they paid into it, as in, price is above cost/worth)?

Sorry it's early, sorta blathering here.[/quote]



YOU claim to be a socialist! It is your mandate to go out and work and then put your earnings into a communal pot, which contents are then divided up equally between those who have contributed and those who have not. Conversely, I go out to work charging as much as I can possibly get away with charging, giving as little in return as I can possibly get away with, and keeping all of the proceeds for myself!

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[Yogi]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

Yogi Yogi:

YOU claim to be a socialist! It is your mandate to go out and work and then put your earnings into a communal pot, which contents are then divided up equally between those who have contributed and those who have not.

Conversely, I go out to work charging as much as I can possibly get away with charging, giving as little in return as I can possibly get away with, and keeping all of the proceeds for myself!

So which would be better for everyone?

DUH!

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[andyt]

Benn Benn:

As for the debate on incandescents for heating my take as a certified electrical technician (granted have not worked in it for over a decade) is that yes they do obviously provide heat but I would not go so far as to say it would provide a net savings over the other bulbs. Depending on climate and insulation of your house I might go as far as to say there will be little savings from using the new ones. But those are a number of variables to consider and just my opinion.

Nobody is saying there is a net savings with incandescents as far as energy use is concerned. Just that when you're heating your house anyway, there is no net cost to them either. As I said, maybe a minute savings because you're not using a fan or a pump to distribute the heat, you're using the heat more in a localized way. But this represents a saving in dollars, since incandescents are so much cheaper.

But I'm curious if the CFL's have improved in color and light output since I last tried them, so I'm going to buy one today and see.