[Gunnair]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Gunnair Gunnair:

2Cdo 2Cdo:

All I read into this thread is that those who have preconcieved ideas about the Catholic church either didn't read the article, or didn't understand the point the Pope was making, or didn't care because headline gave them the ammo to call down the Catholic church again.

Derby would be proud of you.

I'm anxiously awaiting your personal take here, or are you simply toeing the line?

My personal take is he is condemning society for what it has become and in a roundabout way he does acknowledge there is/was a problem with the church. He doesn't say it is "normal" but instead says society had "normalized the behaviour", and as Bart expressed in an earlier post society had become less shocked by 'deviant" behaviours in the late 60's early 70's. Society did start to acknowledge the inherent evil that child molestation is and started to react aggressively towards it, which we see today whenever we hear reports of authourity figures abusing children.

Definitely not toeing the line as I am pretty much a fallen catholic and haven't had much time for it for some years now. But that being said, I am not one condemns all catholics for the behaviour of some of it's leaders and members.

Well, I ain't accusing you, but I'd be curious to see the reaction of some if this were a highly placed Imam saying this.

[Brenda]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Brenda Brenda:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

What I take away from this is that Benedict scolded society for normalizing aberrant behavior

But society doesn't see this as normal behaviour. THE CATHOLIC CHURCH does and because society doesn't, they have some explanation to do.

Nice generalization.

He is the leader, he doesn't condemn, he shoves under the rug what his right hands did, millions of followers. Yep, I think it is safe to generalize.

I am not talking about the believers or their thoughts on this. I am talking about the leaders.

When you talk bad about a country's or province's leader, you don't think the ones living there all think, feel, and do the same, right?

It's about time people stood up, like "we" want the muslims to do when it comes to terrorism.

[2Cdo]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Well, I ain't accusing you, but I'd be curious to see the reaction of some if this were a highly placed Imam saying this.

You would find that many of those who are quick to condemn the Pope would be offering excuses for the Imam. My attitude woulodn't change. Just as I don't condemn all muslims just the extremist element who wants to kill me!

[Gunnair]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Well, I ain't accusing you, but I'd be curious to see the reaction of some if this were a highly placed Imam saying this.

... Just as I don't condemn all muslims just the extremist element who wants to kill me!

I think we're on the same page with that.

[2Cdo]

Brenda Brenda:

He is the leader, he doesn't condemn, he shoves under the rug what his right hands did, millions of followers. Yep, I think it is safe to generalize.

I guess you missed the part where he puts blame on the church.

$1:

I am not talking about the believers or their thoughts on this. I am talking about the leaders.

Again, see above.

$1:

When you talk bad about a country's or province's leader, you don't think the ones living there all think, feel, and do the same, right?

I don't but it would seem when it comes to the Catholic church people tend to generalize. You included.

$1:

It's about time people stood up, like "we" want the muslims to do when it comes to terrorism.

I guess you miss all the news stories that come out whenever a child molester is exposed, and all the comments on various news sites that follow. People are standing up, but you have your anti-Catholic blinders on so you miss all that.

[2Cdo]

Gunnair Gunnair:

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Well, I ain't accusing you, but I'd be curious to see the reaction of some if this were a highly placed Imam saying this.

... Just as I don't condemn all muslims just the extremist element who wants to kill me!

I think we're on the same page with that.

I never thought we weren't.

[Brenda]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Brenda Brenda:

He is the leader, he doesn't condemn, he shoves under the rug what his right hands did, millions of followers. Yep, I think it is safe to generalize.

I guess you missed the part where he puts blame on the church.

$1:

I am not talking about the believers or their thoughts on this. I am talking about the leaders.

Again, see above.

$1:

When you talk bad about a country's or province's leader, you don't think the ones living there all think, feel, and do the same, right?

I don't but it would seem when it comes to the Catholic church people tend to generalize. You included.

$1:

It's about time people stood up, like "we" want the muslims to do when it comes to terrorism.

I guess you miss all the news stories that come out whenever a child molester is exposed, and all the comments on various news sites that follow. People are standing up, but you have your anti-Catholic blinders on so you miss all that.

Well, I guess your reading skills are just as f*cked as mine. You should take your blinders off when it comes to me, and read the message instead of who posts it.

[2Cdo]

Brenda Brenda:

Well, I guess your reading skills are just as f*cked as mine. You should take your blinders off when it comes to me, and read the message instead of who posts it.

Sorry but my reading comprehension is good and I don't have any preconcieved notions of you, I don't even know who you are. I reacted to the drivel you posted in this particular thread. If you don't like me exposing you for a blinder wearing moron, don't post like one.

[BartSimpson]

Brenda Brenda:

Since when do you have no opinion on an issue?

I don't pretend to have unfettered access to the mind of God and that is exactly what you're unreasonably proposing here.

[BartSimpson]

Brenda Brenda:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

What I take away from this is that Benedict scolded society for normalizing aberrant behavior

But society doesn't see this as normal behaviour. THE CATHOLIC CHURCH does and because society doesn't, they have some explanation to do.

Excuse me, but how much do you know of the pederasty that forms the majority of sexual assaults in the RCC? Hmmm?

[Canadian_Mind]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

I think he's criticizing society for normalizing these things. And he's right. The concepts of absolute right and wrong have been eroded and the acceptance and even active promotion of pre-pubescent sexuality has been rife since the 1960's and 1970's.

Got to agree there. Ever porn mag on the street is full of "Virgins" or "barely legal" girls these days.

$1:

To reinforce his point we have school districts teaching sex education to six-year old kids, 'alternative lifestyles' are now actively promoted in the schools, and while there's much condemnation against religious polygamists who marry young girls there's a deafening silence on the topic of gay and lesbian pederasty and gay and lesbian pedophilia.

Bear in mind that most of the sexual assault cases the Roman Catholic Church has had to deal with are concerning homosexual pederasts and homosexual pedophiliacs.

Nothing wrong with sex ed. Better a kid to use a condom the first time he does it with a girl, then not. I grew up in a town where parents had the option to opt-out their kids from sex ed and 3 girls were pregnant by the time they were 13, and all the boys who got them prego were younger then they were. Kid's aren't reaching the capability to produce kids at 14-15 anymore, some boys and some girls can now produce a child before they turn 10. If anything, early sexual education is more important now then ever before. You reach them before it becomes one of those things that are awkward to talk about.

Not going to comment about the Catholic church.

[Brenda]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Brenda Brenda:

Since when do you have no opinion on an issue?

I don't pretend to have unfettered access to the mind of God and that is exactly what you're unreasonably proposing here.

Wrong.
I am stating what the beliefs are. "It's Gods Will". Suuuuuure....

[Brenda]

Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:

If anything, early sexual education is more important now then ever before. You reach them before it becomes one of those things that are awkward to talk about.

The day they are born is the day that it starts.

[Brenda]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Brenda Brenda:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

What I take away from this is that Benedict scolded society for normalizing aberrant behavior

But society doesn't see this as normal behaviour. THE CATHOLIC CHURCH does and because society doesn't, they have some explanation to do.

I don't think the Church does, actually. What senior members of the Church have done, for some inexplicable reason, is to actively hide and defend those in its priest ranks who are diddlers as opposed to going after them. The rank and file of the Church is disgusted and I suspect that it is one of the many reasons why the are leaving in North America.

Pope's out of touch.

If it was only in the US, I'd agree with you. But it isn't.
The church go-ers, the Catholics, are disgusted, as they should be. But the leaders still defend them. And THAT, I don't understand.

[BartSimpson]

Brenda Brenda:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Brenda Brenda:

Since when do you have no opinion on an issue?

I don't pretend to have unfettered access to the mind of God and that is exactly what you're unreasonably proposing here.

Wrong.
I am stating what the beliefs are. "It's Gods Will". Suuuuuure....

Brenda, Christians may pray for someone else's salvation and we may tell people that it is a gift freely given, but whether or not someone is actually forgiven by God for their sins is a personal matter between themselves and God.