[Choban]

$1:

and under the scheme you proposed your dad would have been ticketed or charged too

No the kids constantly harassing me and punching me over the course of 3 years would have been brought to task prior to my resorting to worse violence. Thats the point of my post, to end the bullying before kids feel they have to snap to solve the issue.
G-boys=Homies, wannabe (or maybe for real gangsters), impoverished black youth, whatever you wanna call them
The incidents in high school were first me lashing out at again a group of bullies (though hazing was something the whoe school had to deal with, but at that point in my life I was tired of being pushed around) and a consentual fight in the second case.
Trust me my Father did feel backlash because of my actions in JH school, being a military brat he was ultimately responsable to his c/o for my actions, though he was unaware of the daily beatings I took until I did wig out

[BartSimpson]

Krav maga became a passion of mine around 1987 after I got my knee replaced again (with something better). I highly recommend it as a devastatingly effective martial art - but do take care to learn the military techniques and not the watered down 'civilian' techniques.

I'll say knowing how to inflict lethal harm gives one a certain confidence that, in and of itself, is sometimes sufficient to end a dispute.

[Benn]

This does not just live in the realm of grade school either. This sometimes continues on into the adult work realm. While there may be no beatings as such there are still workplace bullies who carry on harassing staff because they have the right connections and staff are afraid to say anything and the bosses are to yellow to tackle it head on. I knew a guy in the federal government who was like this. Prior bosses had written him up enough he knew he was not ever getting promoted again so didn't care about threat to get written up more. He knew the key thing, short of shooting someone at work you can't get fired from the federal government very easy, plus saying you have an out of control employee also looks to the bosses boss like you can't handle or manage employees, so the bosses pretend it does not go on.

I finally stood up to this guy and told him what everyone else had on their minds and I got in crap for it. I was told by his spineless boss that he had the situation under control, load of crap, which is what I told his spineless boss who then backed down from giving me heck as well. This was after over six months of telling his boss he had to deal with it and his boss ignoring the problem. You think now anyone will stand up to this guy again seeing this? Doubtful!

[RUEZ]

Choban Choban:

This is a bit of a different case I think , being that the victim is disabled, I think that it might be a case of the bully being ignorant to the conditions his victim lives with every day, not that I'm excusing it, but a bit of education on the matter might help.

Under what conditions would bullying be ok? If the victim were a healthy child?

[ASLplease]

I would like to see a commitee form to attempt to classify various types of bullying, obviously 2 classmates that get into a scuffle should not be treated with the same severity as a bully that is picking on a handycapped child, yet I dont think its correct to give the bully leniency just because boys will be boys.

[Yogi]

I don't have to 'look up' the meaning of bullying to know that it is an act or series of acts of violence perpetrated against a weaker person. Under nNO circumstances is BULLYING ok!
I took it for the first couple of years and then one day 'exploded and went nuts' on my tormentor. I had to be pulled off, and restrained, by a teacher. That gave me a real sense of confidence. Being small, I learned that I was also much faster than those who were foolish enough to try me. Dad, being a combat instructor, showed me a few moves, and cautioned/warned me to never be the instigato,, took in the local judo class for a couple of years, and got onto the provincial wrestling team in high school. I used my size, or lack thereof, to my advantage, and never came out on the losing end again!

[angler57]

andyt andyt:

Sorry Bart, I don't think the good old days ever existed. Go to any generation and there are terrible stories of bullying. I think it was mostly ignored in the good old days.

Good Call Andyt; And when things become physical from only one person and the other is not able to defend themselves?
This is not a fight.
It is an assult.

[Choban]

RUEZ RUEZ:

Choban Choban:

This is a bit of a different case I think , being that the victim is disabled, I think that it might be a case of the bully being ignorant to the conditions his victim lives with every day, not that I'm excusing it, but a bit of education on the matter might help.

Under what conditions would bullying be ok? If the victim were a healthy child?

I'm not excusing bullying at all period, nor this guys behavior, not sure what gave you that idea, but perhaps the bully in this case is working out of ignorance and some education about what his young victim with cerebral palsy goes through day to day would ease the situation. I'm just stating that it's a different situation because of the disability, whereas most bullied kids have other issues that make them targets (weight, nerdiness, lack of trendy clothing ect...)

[Yogi]

Choban Choban:

RUEZ RUEZ:

Choban Choban:

This is a bit of a different case I think , being that the victim is disabled, I think that it might be a case of the bully being ignorant to the conditions his victim lives with every day, not that I'm excusing it, but a bit of education on the matter might help.

Under what conditions would bullying be ok? If the victim were a healthy child?

I'm not excusing bullying at all period, nor this guys behavior, not sure what gave you that idea, but perhaps the bully in this case is working out of ignorance and some education about what his young victim with cerebral palsy goes through day to day would ease the situation. I'm just stating that it's a different situation because of the disability, whereas most bullied kids have other issues that make them targets (weight, nerdiness, lack of trendy clothing ect...)

Once you have the bully 'laying on the ground looking up at you' rest assured that you have his complete and undivided attention, thusly, also be assured that your 'verbal explanation' is 'hitting home as well'! Bullies NEED to be spoken to in a language that they understand!

[Choban]

$1:

Once you have the bully 'laying on the ground looking up at you' rest assured that you have his complete and undivided attention, thusly, also be assured that your 'verbal explanation' is 'hitting home as well'! Bullies NEED to be spoken to in a language that they understand!

This isn't an option for a boy with Cerebral Palsey, I have a very good friend with this disability, he spent elementary school on braces and was physically very limited (he's now in a chair)

[Yogi]

Choban Choban:

$1:

Once you have the bully 'laying on the ground looking up at you' rest assured that you have his complete and undivided attention, thusly, also be assured that your 'verbal explanation' is 'hitting home as well'! Bullies NEED to be spoken to in a language that they understand!

This isn't an option for a boy with Cerebral Palsey, I have a very good friend with this disability, he spent elementary school on braces and was physically very limited (he's now in a chair)

Of course not! I wasn't insinuating that the disabled lad should kick the shit out of the bully. Just that 'someone' should!

The measure of a man is how he treats those around him

[andyt]

[quote="Yogi"]

Of course not! I wasn't insinuating that the disabled lad should kick the shit out of the bully. Just that 'someone' should!

Presumably someone bigger and stronger than the bully? So then they become the bully, and maybe the original bully gets someone even bigger to beat up bully number two, etc. What you wind up with is an enforcement system where you better hope the top bully isn't a bully - which is doubtful since we know what power does to people.

[billypilgrim]

i hate this goddam little bully. in my mind-movie, the disabled kid sneaks up behind him with a pool ball in a tubesock and just lets the bastard have it. ..crack.. pulls his skull wide open and all the other kids start to cheer and lift up the disabled kid like the stanley cup and carry him around the soccer field a few times.

[Yogi]

andyt andyt:

Yogi Yogi:

Of course not! I wasn't insinuating that the disabled lad should kick the shit out of the bully. Just that 'someone' should!

Presumably someone bigger and stronger than the bully? So then they become the bully, and maybe the original bully gets someone even bigger to beat up bully number two, etc. What you wind up with is an enforcement system where you better hope the top bully isn't a bully - which is doubtful since we know what power does to people.

Your thinking is kind of derailed andy. Let's see if I can get you 'back on track'!

I come around the corner, and see 'you' beating on a smaller or disabled person. I step in, severely kick your ass, and then explain in such a way that your behaviour will not be tolerated any further, check on the victim, help however else I may, and then go on my way. ( Has happened). The bullying ends there, with that bully. Repeat as required.
There is always going to be bullies. There will always be those who can and will put an end to the bullying.

[andyt]

Many bullies are themselves bullied. Just seems like a treadmill to me with no way off to bully the bully. Unless you're going to be around to protect the bullies victim at all times, the bully will just wait until you're not around to exact revenge on his victim. Or pick another kid you're not looking out for.