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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 6:10 pm
 


Other than for historical purposes, why??


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 6:21 pm
 


desertdude desertdude:
Well to be realistic Canada really has no international clout


I'm curious on what you base that on.

Is that a measured analysis based on empirical evidence or would that simply be some infantile knee jerk shot because you've got nothing left?


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 6:45 pm
 


ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:
Other than for historical purposes, why??


We had a very good 2 years there. The Ethops and those pesky Eritreans are decent troops.

I was in Asmara and Assab daily. We also did Gondar and Makele. We were treated well and Ethiopia is an amazing place and the people are just very different in a good way. Add in the Blue Nile, the churches hewn from rock, the Italian influences etc, its an interesting spot.

Plus they are on the Gregorian calendar. 13 months of sunshine and all that! I really loved the place.

I spent maybe three years of my life in various bits of Africa. Loved Kenya, and Senegal. Sudan, Egypt , Morocco, not so much.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 7:07 pm
 


You were up in the north, I flew transport from Addis straight to Mustaxiil, and then we drove into Somalia. We had Ethiopian military escorts and they were quite competent. The locals weren't crazy about them as that entire region, including the Ethiopian side of the Shabelle(sp?) River wanted to separate into their own state.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 7:14 pm
 


We mostly stayed in Addis, which was very interesting. I'm suitably impressed Shep.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 7:19 pm
 


The living conditions were the biggest challenge most of the time, as we had guards......most of the time


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 7:22 pm
 


We started off in tents on the British Embassy golf course. It annoyed the diplomatic community intensely. We then went to Addis down-town's Ghion and the Hilton (which had a great hot spring pool). Tough billets.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 9:26 pm
 


EyeBrock EyeBrock:
The Crown rests then DD. Our guys using your airfield before going into combat isn't a big deal to the UAE.

NATO see us with some international clout but as you seem to know sweet FA about Canada, NATO or the Afghan mission, maybe we should talk about F-150's?


Fixed that for you.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 9:43 pm
 


desertdude desertdude:
Like said before political friendships are a tit for tat things. One just doesnt give all the time without getting anything in return.



DrCaleb DrCaleb:
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But if the UAE was looking for Canada to fold under a similarly styled threat, it had to be upset when another Gulf state, Qatar, quietly signed an aviation agreement with Canada on Nov. 11. The deal will allow Qatar Airways to fly three passenger flights and three cargo flights a week to and from Canada.


http://www.canadianbusiness.com/managin ... 0006_10006


Re-quoted for emphasis.

Like others have said. The UAE gave us staging space, and overflight rights. We gave young men and women willing to die to protect everyone in the region. That was a mutual security matter.

If the UAE wanted to do business, that was a different matter. Qatar wants to do business so we gave them basically the same deal the UAE wanted, because they were not holding us ransom by holding us hostage with what they think will give them leverage. The UAE really doesn't understand us; that security and business are two different things. The two do not intermingle, like we don't mix government and religion, or politics and dinner. This goes in this box, that goes in that box.

Mutual security was the was for us to develop friendly relations. That could have encompassed a growing business relationship too. Perhaps even tourism. But they had to go and push things, the same way that another regional country would have expected to be treated. But we aren't built that way. It didn't show us the respect we had been showing to the UAE. They wanted us gone, we left. We thanked them for their hospitality, noticed they didn't offer salt on their table, shook their hand and parted ways.

Have you noticed that there is no further retaliation from Canada? To us, the matter is done. If they want to act like civilized people in the future, perhaps that can be arranged. But not this year.


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well said Caleb.


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Ya know, I feel bad for Air Canada in some ways, or maybe more accurately, I feel bad about Air Canada.
Air Canada is an old friend. I spent a lot of time during the 1st 20 years of my life in AC jets (and Viscounts). The food was excellent and the quality of professionalism was on par with KLM and BA. The service wasn't quite up to the standards of BA at that time, but it was still excellent. Hell even CP Air was better then than AC is now.
However, it's hard to blame AC for all of it's woes. In today's economy it's pretty hard to stay profitable and miantain superior service when you are "handcuffed" by having to maintain routes to places that are literally in the middle of butt-fuck nowhere.

However, I don't think Harper's decision has anything to do with protectionism.
IF the UAE had come forward with a serious business proposal, I'm willing to bet there'd have been room to negotiate. But the UAE essentially resorted to a form of extortion. That's how gangsters do bidniss.

Canada doesn't do bidniss, we do business.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 6:07 am
 


EyeBrock EyeBrock:
The Crown rests then DD. Our guys using your airfield before going into combat isn't a big deal to the UAE.

NATO see us with some international clout but as you seem to know sweet FA about Canada, NATO or the Afghan mission, maybe we should talk about Range Rovers?


Like the saying goes..Whatever Trevor


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That's actually a saying?


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 9:17 am
 


desertdude desertdude:
Well to be realistic Canada really has no international clout and UAE is best buds with the US so I guess it decided it could loose one "friend" up north if it wasn't going to play ball.


Please, like the UAE has any real clout on the world stage...

At least we are part of the world's most powerful military alliance (NATO), a member of the world's strongest economic bloc (the G-8), and charter members of Bretton Woods institutions (the IMF, WTO, the World Bank), and a founding member of the UN.

What does the UAE have other than a few fancy buildings and golf courses?


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 9:26 am
 


bootlegga bootlegga:
Please, like the UAE has any real clout on the world stage...


Not much at all.

bootlegga bootlegga:
What does the UAE have other than a few fancy buildings and golf courses?


Not much really other than a lot of oil ?


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