[ASLplease]

didn't see this in the article, is he currently active duty or has he stopped?

[SprCForr]

I'd say that he was still active duty. It mentions that he's still liable to deploy if his unit is ordered to do so. Putting in a CO request didn't put him in limbo or anything.

[ASLplease]

if so, i commend him for staying active duty and letting the lawyers premtively sort this out. in this case, i think it would be nice to cater to him a bit while the lawyers figure it out

but if he had refused to do something, then filed a claim, then I favor the idea of putting him in jail and letting the lawyers figure it out. does that sound reasonable?

[EyeBrock]

Well you don't really have a choice in 'staying active duty'. You join a unit like the 101 st and they are the tip-of-the-spear so to speak. You go when they go, no choices given.

Being deployed into combat is likely for anybody in the military. From cook to fighter pilot.

Him being taken off the line isn't up to him, it's up to the leadership.

[ASLplease]

if he wants to scrub toilets states side while the lawyers battle this out, then fill yer boots!

[BartSimpson]

An American Muslim group is getting all hard core on this guy:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/09/02/is ... -objector/

Juicy excerpts:

$1:

An American Muslim organization is asking the U.S. Army to deny a Muslim soldier’s request for conscientious objector status, accusing him of treason and urging the military to punish him to the full extent of the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

Pfc. Naser Abdo, a 20-year-old infantryman who joined the Army one year ago, filed for conscientious objector status in June, saying his faith and the military don't mix. "As a Muslim, we stand against injustice, we stand against discrimination, and I feel it's my duty as an individual to do this," Abdo told FoxNews.com.

The Army has deferred his scheduled deployment to Afghanistan.

But the American Islamic Forum for Democracy (AIFD) says Abdo's claim is “patently false.”

"Muslims serve with distinction throughout the United States Military and AIFD sees Abdo’s traitorous public assertions as a slap in the face to all American Muslims especially those Muslims who fight in our armed forces for the liberty and freedom guaranteed by the American Constitution," the group said in a statement it issued on Friday.

Said Dr. M. Zuhdi Jasser, president of AIFD: “Abdo’s actions are an affront to every American Muslim who has proudly donned a U.S. military uniform. His assertions are not built on Islamic teachings but on a feeble adherence to the global political ideology of Islamism that threatens our security and radicalizes our Muslim youth.”

Abdo said that in addition to conflicting with his religion beliefs, his military duties were also consuming every part of his day and interfering with his religious duties. "I knew that if I went to Afghanistan and, God forbid, something were to happen, that my faith was so weak that I wouldn't be admitted into heaven," he said.

But AIFD on Friday called Abdo’s claim a cowardly attempt to use his faith to make a political statement and said it belies the religious experience of the vast majority of Muslim-American troops who have found the time to perform their spiritual rituals.

Score one for Islam with me.

[Thanos]

andyt andyt:

Thanos Thanos:

Maybe an America run by the military for a decade or so wouldn't be such a bad thing to have happen for a while. Beats what the civilian leadership's been up to, say, since Eisenhower.

Probably the scariest idea put forth on this forum yet.

Hence the tongue-in-cheekiness smiley and vibe.

[BartSimpson]

Thanos, the idea of the military running things in the US for a while doesn't seem so bad to me. Were the military running the post 9/11 response we'd have been in and out of Afghanistan in 2001 and we'd have neutered Hussein back in 1991 the first time. Really, it would get a lot of apathetic Americans to start taking their rights and obligations a lot more seriously. Right now it seems most Americans are just worried about losing their McMansion to foreclosure, filling up their road-crusher SUV with imported oil (yah, most of it comes from you guys, no offence, eh?), and watching some idiotic sports team on TV. I think it would be cathartic for most Americans to get to spend a few years livng like people have to live in 90% of the rest of the world and then maybe they'd have some appreciation for what they have.

[Thanos]

I've been a big fan of Robert Heinlein and Jerry Pournelle for years. I've always found their concepts of discredited and morally-bankrupt democracies being replaced by enlightened and honourable military leadership fascinating, and possibly even palatable. If there was a way to ensure that it didn't turn into something as brutal a Sparta then I have to admit that it might not be so bad.

Have a society regulated by Marine Corp gunnery sergeants and a decade later you wouldn't have any more of this undisciplined bullshit that's ruining everything for everyone.

[BartSimpson]

Thanos Thanos:

Have a society regulated by Marine Corp gunnery sergeants and a decade later you wouldn't have any more of this undisciplined bullshit that's ruining everything for everyone.

Where I come from, saying stuff like that'll get you promoted.

Thanos, you missed your calling.

[ASLplease]

but the president is commander and chief of the military, or something like that. so who run the military while they run the country? a politician would.

I prefer a system where the politician is bogged down and burried in his own crap, it prevents him from doing more harm

[EyeBrock]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Thanos Thanos:

Have a society regulated by Marine Corp gunnery sergeants and a decade later you wouldn't have any more of this undisciplined bullshit that's ruining everything for everyone.

Where I come from, saying stuff like that'll get you promoted.

Thanos, you missed your calling.

Somebody has to protect the wankers besides the CBC, the Toronto Star and the NDP.

Come on....!

[ASLplease]

dude this is canada

[EyeBrock]

ASLplease ASLplease:

dude this is canada

It's still a nice badge though eh?

[ASLplease]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

ASLplease ASLplease:

dude this is canada

It's still a nice badge though eh?

nope. its got a barbed penis with anal beads wrapped around it