[EyeBrock]

ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

xerxes xerxes:

Maybe we didn't care for you original article and decided to have a discussion for ourselves. Maybe we don't give a toss for articles written by a real-to-life Ned Flanders with less morals.

Nicely put.

Another troll

Told you that, you hear me.

Does that make you feel better now? Can't debate but you can give neg rep points. Poor diddums can't string a coherent argument together.

Really.

[sandorski]

ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny:

How is this al about FOX now, This thread is about a bunch of liberal eggheads trying to cover stories up.

Yet some people want to yell and scream about FOX. I mean jees is it that bad. how brainwashed are you guys.

I put up a article talking about 400 liberal journalists trying to hide the truth. Make up a stories about how Karl Rove is racist!!!!! and your talking about fox!!!!

Whats great is you then regurgitate the bullshit these liars print and report on!!

Did they "Try" or did they Muse about it?

[xerxes]

Nice to see Manifest Destiny classing up the joint as only he can...

[HyperionTheEvil]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

The bottom line is that as the words between leftists and conservatives become more shrill, and as the propaganda becomes more intense, the likelyhood of the discussion ending and the fighting beginning becomes more and more possible.

Suit yourself, the US has long been on the path to ruin because of the garbage that passes for politics on the right. And one can draw a straight line between the venom spat out from people like Beck,Coulter and O'Reilly and the groups like the Hutaree Militia group who feed off of them.

The problem is that conservatives in the US are no longer conservative but ideologically driven further and further to the fringe. I have no problem with fiscal conservatives but by any definition the Republican Party long ago abandoned any connection with fiscal reality and hove towards a fantasy land where deficit spending actually makes sense

[HyperionTheEvil]

QBC QBC:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

The issue here is that we've got reporters who run around with a cloak of 'objectivity' being anything but objective. FOX News is, bluntly, providing a measure of intellectual balance by being biased in another direction and, at least, they are pretty honest about it.

In the sum of the discussion here it should be assumed that journalistic objectivity is a thing of the past, that is, if it ever existed at all.

I totally agree. Fox presents with an 'in your face' kinda bias/alternate viewpoint. We all know they lean right.

It doesn't pretend objectivity like CBC and CTV.
Really, I'm very surprised and disappointed with the reporting I've seen lately.

Just piss poor, biased, agenda ridden partisan viewpoints, masquerading as the news.

I think comparing CBC and CTV to FOX is like comparing apples to...Ohhhh.....used rubber tires. The media in Canada is a fair bit different than the media in the US. I find most of the US media to be tabloid as opposed to ours. Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with any media pretending to be unbiased when they clearly are not, but for the most part, the US "news" is not news at all. Sensationalism seems to be the only constant south of the border, what ratings the story will get versus the accuracy, the ratings game seems to win out more often than not. The reporting of the news in Canada can be biased either way depending on the station, but they all do tend to try and get the facts kinda straight.

quoted for truth- except the National Post of course

[HyperionTheEvil]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I

It's always been a double edged sword but the media usually get the info first. Basically the feeling is that if the media are not given the right info and quickly, they will either make it up or interfere with the investigation.

Nowadays everybody is encouraged to talk with the media and give them the access they want. That's why there was great surprise and disappointment at the biased reporting at the G20.

Or more likely the police or a government will have the opportunity to create a story that suits thier purposes.

And biased?

*cough ... bullshit*


You call legitimate critique of police actions "biased"? All the more reason for the press to get deeply involved into what the police actually do out of sight of the public eye.

[HyperionTheEvil]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

The issue being discussed was: If FOX readily admits its bias then whjy does it call itself "Fair and Balanced." I don't think CBC had anything to do with it. Do try to keep up.

They admit that they're biased. That's Fair.

They get half the television audience for news and the liberal networks get the other half and that's Balanced.

Fair & Balanced. There you go.

Well at least you admit they're biased, ergo useless.

[ManifestDestiny]

xerxes xerxes:

Nice to see Manifest Destiny classing up the joint as only he can...

Wow look whos calling the kettle black.

I'm trying to keep on topic, while everyone is crying about FOX news. You pretty much come to the ingeneous conclusion that my points are worthless,and EB agrees. Now you have the nerve to say I'm being class less.

Your just a troll plain and simple.

[Pseudonym]

JournoList does provide an example of journalists who are abusing their position in the media. However, if you didn't already know that you have to take the news with a grain of salt, then you haven't been paying attention. The free market of ideas makes it so that the uninformed have only themselves to blame.

[BartSimpson]

HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

The bottom line is that as the words between leftists and conservatives become more shrill, and as the propaganda becomes more intense, the likelyhood of the discussion ending and the fighting beginning becomes more and more possible.

Suit yourself, the US has long been on the path to ruin because of the garbage that passes for politics on the right. And one can draw a straight line between the venom spat out from people like Beck,Coulter and O'Reilly and the groups like the Hutaree Militia group who feed off of them.

The problem is that conservatives in the US are no longer conservative but ideologically driven further and further to the fringe. I have no problem with fiscal conservatives but by any definition the Republican Party long ago abandoned any connection with fiscal reality and hove towards a fantasy land where deficit spending actually makes sense

You make a good example of what I was talking about. You point your finger exclusively at the right and, by default, you take the stance that no one on the left is wrong. Sorry, but compromise and understanding are not founded on the premise that we have to see it your way.

And if you really think that if things get ugly in the USA that it won't affect you in Canada you're deluded.

[PluggyRug]

HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:

Suit yourself, the US has long been on the path to ruin because of the garbage that passes for politics on the right. And one can draw a straight line between the venom spat out from people like Beck,Coulter and O'Reilly and the groups like the Hutaree Militia group who feed off of them.

The problem is that conservatives in the US are no longer conservative but ideologically driven further and further to the fringe. I have no problem with fiscal conservatives but by any definition the Republican Party long ago abandoned any connection with fiscal reality and hove towards a fantasy land where deficit spending actually makes sense

If you changed the word "Conservative" to "Democrat" and "right" to "left", your post would be miles closer to the truth.

[commanderkai]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

How is FOX honest about it? Their slogan is "Fair and Balanced."

Just using one of CNN slogans: "The Best Political Team on Television". According to who? Slogans are made to sell a product.

Also, if you're seemingly wanting to continue along this path. Fox News is commonly the right-wing portion of media outlets in the United States. A conservative/libertarian individual might view Fox News being the balance between the right and left leaning media organizations, and provides fair coverage in the overall scheme of American news and politics.

But then again, it's just a slogan. You might think the best part of waking up is Maxwell House instead of Folgers too.

[PluggyRug]

commanderkai commanderkai:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

How is FOX honest about it? Their slogan is "Fair and Balanced."

Just using one of CNN slogans: "The Best Political Team on Television". According to who? Slogans are made to sell a product.

Also, if you're seemingly wanting to continue along this path. Fox News is commonly the right-wing portion of media outlets in the United States. A conservative/libertarian individual might view Fox News being the balance between the right and left leaning media organizations, and provides fair coverage in the overall scheme of American news and politics.

But then again, it's just a slogan. You might think the best part of waking up is Maxwell House instead of Folgers too.

The commercials with news network is becoming more of a big girls blouse network.

At least Fox says it like it is.

[sandorski]

PluggyRug PluggyRug:

commanderkai commanderkai:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

How is FOX honest about it? Their slogan is "Fair and Balanced."

Just using one of CNN slogans: "The Best Political Team on Television". According to who? Slogans are made to sell a product.

Also, if you're seemingly wanting to continue along this path. Fox News is commonly the right-wing portion of media outlets in the United States. A conservative/libertarian individual might view Fox News being the balance between the right and left leaning media organizations, and provides fair coverage in the overall scheme of American news and politics.

But then again, it's just a slogan. You might think the best part of waking up is Maxwell House instead of Folgers too.

The commercials with news network is becoming more of a big girls blouse network.

At least Fox says it like it's Spun.

fixed

[commanderkai]

sandorski sandorski:

$1:

At least Fox says it like it's Spun.

fixed

All media spins. Canadian, American, British, Australian, Russian, etc etc etc.

Think about it. Like Eyebrock showed not that long ago, media organizations put forth "experts" from the Rideau Institute about the F-35 purchase. Who they choose to have as experts, or how things are worded are more subtle forms of spin to push forth the bias of said media organization.

As you would expect, Fox News will more likely put forth right wing commentators, and usually get batshit lefties, like Howard Dean (but that's my personal opinion) to be a commentator over political issues. However, media organizations like CNN, the Toronto Star, and whoever else bring forth experts like Steven Staples who are most certainly lefties.

And, of course, the media chooses who writes their editorials or who are their pundits. Fox News uses Hannity, MSNBC uses Olbermann, and CNN uses John King. All three are, most likely (never watched King at all, but he's new to the scene) stating their opinions about political, social, and economic issues based on their ideology. And of course, media organizations hire said individuals because of their ideological bent and charisma.