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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 12:26 pm
 


Scroll back a bit on the recent topics Derby. Hype is full of it. I’m sure he can defend his extreme viewpoints himself. And by the way, I never said he vilified Jews, but there are plenty on the Left that do.

And if you class me as a right winger, tell me where I have posted support of any fascist government?

I believe in fairness. I'd like a press/media that reports the facts instead of the editorialising we get from the CBC & CTV.

I'd like to see efforts made to ease the plight of women, gays and other oppressed minorities around the world. I don't like to see these states getting a free-pass from our media.

You can encapsulate the hypocrisy of our Toronto-centric and left of centre media with the 'Queers against Israeli apartheid' BS that’s going on with Toronto’s Pride march.

How many gay rights parades are there in any Arab country, let alone Gaza?

Something is rotten in the Arab and Muslim world.

Honour killings are the norm, women are chattel and gays are persecuted or murdered just for being gay.
But our society/media highlights everything wrong they can find with Israel. Now we have anti-Semites crawling from under their stones more frequently.

I’m not a big fan of Israel, but I do believe in an honest and open discussion. Not addressing the inequalities that people face in Arab countries is excusing the despots.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 12:29 pm
 


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Personally I don’t get how left-wingers can support Muslim states that are totally oppressive and then vilify the Israeli’s for building a country in their historical lands with the survivors of the biggest genocide in European history.

We shouldn’t let facts get in the way of your unsupported rhetoric though eh?


Why the right-wingers support so many fascist governments around the world? Swings both ways.


Then, most media outlets should be ''unbiased'' concerning that region, yet they seem to favour the Palestinians.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 12:34 pm
 


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Scroll back a bit on the recent topics Derby. Hype is full of it. I’m sure he can defend his extreme viewpoints himself. And by the way, I never said he vilified Jews, but there are plenty on the Left that do.

And if you class me as a right winger, tell me where I have posted support of any fascist government?



So to be a right winger you have to support fascism, but to be on the left just takes being left of you? I don't see most left wingers supporting Marxism either. That Reformacon logo by your picture makes you a right winger in Canadian terms.


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Scroll back a bit on the recent topics Derby. Hype is full of it. I’m sure he can defend his extreme viewpoints himself. And by the way, I never said he vilified Jews, but there are plenty on the Left that do.

And if you class me as a right winger, tell me where I have posted support of any fascist government?



So to be a right winger you have to support fascism, but to be on the left just takes being left of you? I don't see most left wingers supporting Marxism either. That Reformacon logo by your picture makes you a right winger in Canadian terms.


Don't simplify things and try and put words in my mouth andy.

I didn't say that Left-wingers support Marxism either. Try and be a little objective. I don't assume somebody who supports a party that I don't vote for is a rabid pinky either.

I vote Tory because they are the least shite of a shit bunch. I'm not that impressed with them though.

If the Libs ditch Iggy and come out with a platform that interests me, I'll vote for them.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 12:40 pm
 


I think that Libby was speaking her true mind to the camera and covering up later. But I still don't think Israel should have to resign.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 12:42 pm
 


I think that Libby was speaking her true mind to the camera and covering up later. But I still don't think Israel should have to resign.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 12:43 pm
 


EyeBrock EyeBrock:

And if you class me as a right winger, tell me where I have posted support of any fascist government?




Don't simplify things and try and put words in my mouth andy.



Those were your words in your mouth. Your criterion for being a right winger, from what you said above, seems to be that one has to support fascist governments.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 12:44 pm
 


I don't think she should resign either. Her judgement is a bit iffy though! Well at least we now all know where she stands.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 12:45 pm
 


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I say it again: how can some persons STILL be antisemitic in 2010 ?? :?


Pot Meet kettle


Really you're so shocked at racism?

Here you said

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Arrest them all for treason and throw them in a big dark prison cell for the rest of their terrorist life.



Blanket racist statements are blanket racist statements.


Islam is not a race buddy. That's a retarded way of thinking.


But the people of the middle eastern region are generally Muslim,

Or is this today's weaselly cop out , only arrest and throw into prison for "Treason" only those Muslims that express their right to freedom of speech those that happen to be in western countries?. You know, those countries that go on an on taking the higher moral ground because we have such values?


Remember you're the one purposing jail for people expressing their right to free speech, or do you only support free speech that you agree with?


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 12:46 pm
 


EyeBrock EyeBrock:
Scroll back a bit on the recent topics Derby. Hype is full of it. I’m sure he can defend his extreme viewpoints himself. And by the way, I never said he vilified Jews, but there are plenty on the Left that do.

And if you class me as a right winger, tell me where I have posted support of any fascist government?


I didn't classify you as a right winger but mearly said the right supports fascist governments around the world in the same way the left supports terrorist ones.

I've been reading all of Hyperions stuff and he has never posted anti-Jewish stuff and compared to the anti-Islamic racist garbage that is prevalent Hyperions "anti-semitism" amounts to a swift kiss on the cheek.

EyeBrock EyeBrock:
I believe in fairness. I'd like a press/media that reports the facts instead of the editorialising we get from the CBC & CTV.


The problem is that, that is only your opinion. The left wing media bias myth has been just that.

EyeBrock EyeBrock:
I'd like to see efforts made to ease the plight of women, gays and other oppressed minorities around the world. I don't like to see these states getting a free-pass from our media.


They don't and never have. Plenty of groups have long been involved in supporting the rights of those groups its just that so many right wingers lump those groups in with the other bleeding hearts such as Greenpeace, PETA, and the WWF.

In fact it is groups like those that have been the ones responsible for those incidents where public outrage has preventing teachers from getting whipped and women from getting stoned.

EyeBrock EyeBrock:
You can encapsulate the hypocrisy of our Toronto-centric and left of centre media with the 'Queers against Israeli apartheid' BS that’s going on with Toronto’s Pride march.


This highlights why you have the POV you do. A single group that hadn't even been given permission yet means the entire parade was at fault. Toronto centric? Meaning what? The parade was in Toronto. I was at the London, Brighton, and Sydney pride parades and they were no different.

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How many gay rights parades are there in any Arab country, let alone Gaza?

Something is rotten in the Arab and Muslim world.


Or Israel. Judaism isn't known for its acceptance of homosexuality nor womens rights either.

The problem is that no matter what westerners simple expect Muslims to completely and immediately adopt western mentality and morality. In other words we are demanding that they live their lives as we dictate. Isn't that just what you say they are doing to us?

We took a long time adjusting to homosexuality and indeed have a long way to go. You have posted that the Muslims are trapped in the 15th century so by my count they have at least another 500 years go oppressing gays just like our society did.

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Honour killings are the norm, women are chattel and gays are persecuted or murdered just for being gay.
But our society/media highlights everything wrong they can find with Israel. Now we have anti-Semites crawling from under their stones more frequently.


They are not the norm. They are also far more common in places like India where they aren't Muslims.

Once again: Criticism of Israel isn't anti-semetism.

EyeBrock EyeBrock:
I’m not a big fan of Israel, but I do believe in an honest and open discussion. Not addressing the inequalities that people face in Arab countries is excusing the despots.


Again, there are lots of people addressing those problems in Muslim society. The difference is they aren't doing it by denouncing the entire religion or advocating the use of the military to force them to do so.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 12:46 pm
 


andyt andyt:
EyeBrock EyeBrock:

And if you class me as a right winger, tell me where I have posted support of any fascist government?




Don't simplify things and try and put words in my mouth andy.



Those were your words in your mouth. Your criterion for being a right winger, from what you said above, seems to be that one has to support fascist governments.


Are you real? Derby wrote that. Do try and keep up.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 12:48 pm
 


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Personally I don’t get how left-wingers can support Muslim states that are totally oppressive and then vilify the Israeli’s for building a country in their historical lands with the survivors of the biggest genocide in European history.

We shouldn’t let facts get in the way of your unsupported rhetoric though eh?


Why the right-wingers support so many fascist governments around the world? Swings both ways.


Then, most media outlets should be ''unbiased'' concerning that region, yet they seem to favour the Palestinians.


The situation favours them. People recognize the oppression for what it is and the media reflects that.

It used to be the other way around, and the media was so pro-Israel.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 12:50 pm
 


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And if you class me as a right winger, tell me where I have posted support of any fascist government?




Don't simplify things and try and put words in my mouth andy.



Those were your words in your mouth. Your criterion for being a right winger, from what you said above, seems to be that one has to support fascist governments.


Are you real? Derby wrote that. Do try and keep up.



Nope - from your post at the top of the page - no quotes from anybody else were involved.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 12:53 pm
 


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And if you class me as a right winger, tell me where I have posted support of any fascist government?




Don't simplify things and try and put words in my mouth andy.



Those were your words in your mouth. Your criterion for being a right winger, from what you said above, seems to be that one has to support fascist governments.


Are you real? Derby wrote that. Do try and keep up.


You still haven't defined where this MP has said, or i have said that Israel and all Jews should be destroyed. I've never said and neither did she, what the words were spoken were "Settlement" they do need one. You also ignore the many posts the post that i have made that neither the Israelis or the Palestinians want peace, or only peace on their terms, which is tantamount to an ultimatum

What i have said is that Canada should not get involved with any of that mess there. Peace would be nice but until both sides grow up they'll go on killing each other because some fictional deity said that land was their's

If you're going to make accusations of antisemitism you better have the balls to back it up with factual statements?


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 12:55 pm
 


andyt andyt:

Nope - from your post at the top of the page - no quotes from anybody else were involved.


Stret-t-t-t-t-ching a little there, Andy.


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