[Brenda]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Gunnair Gunnair:

The implications that shaving one's head is emblematic of a self destructive lifestyle is simply mind boggling...

Bart, you do your argument no damned good with posts like that. Just saying is all.

I see you've never heard of scatting. I believe you can find some lovely examples of this on torrent.

So you say pee and poop sex is only a gay thing? Hmm, I call bs on that.

[andyt]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Gunnair Gunnair:

The implications that shaving one's head is emblematic of a self destructive lifestyle is simply mind boggling...

Bart, you do your argument no damned good with posts like that. Just saying is all.

I see you've never heard of scatting. I believe you can find some lovely examples of this on torrent.

So do you have any stats as to the prevalence of this practice among gays, vs straights? I doubt if it's common among either population. When I was young and traveled to San Fransisco, there were a lot of women advertising golden showers - I believe their ads were directed at straight men. There are people of both sexes and sexual orientation who get off on eating shit, doubt if they have to shave their heads to do it, and I doubt if it's a very large number. None of this seems to be a valid excuse to condemn one sexual orientation or the other.

When I was really young, the Georgia Straight had an advice column by Dr Hipocrates. One woman wrote in to say when she let her German Shepherd fuck her, it scratched her back. (My 14 yr old eyes nearly popped out of my head). His advice was for her to wear a shirt. Are you going to condemn all heterosexuals because of this?

[HyperionTheEvil]

$1:

No one on the pro-life side has ever said that a stem cell is a person. However, we do note that stem cells are harvested from aborted babies and any additional stem cell lines will require children to be aborted.

And here we go equating the research on stem Cells to baby killing, women have a right to abortion. I'ts her body she has the perfect right to control her own body. religion teaches that a fetus is a human being and has a soul

Prove that humanity has souls scientifically, i eagerly await peer reviewed articles on such

$1:

The gay and lesbian lifestyle tends to be very self-destructive and the warnings of various faiths about the pitfalls of these lifestyles are relevant today. I'm certainly not advocating violating anyone's civil rights, but I also have a grasp of the obvious and will note that when heterosexual people engage in the behaviours that are endemic to gays and lesbians they are considered aberrant.

Prove that gays and lesbians are "Very self destructive. You've made a blanket statement here that all gays and lesbians lead such lives, Please provide peer reviwed articles from at least 10 reaserch facilites that back up such claims

$1:

Seems some atheist sicience devotees also want to control people's lives, so what? That doesn't make religion wrong or science wrong, it just means that some people pursue power by whatever avenue is handy to them.

Science isn't about control its about skepticism, one cannot control human life based upon that idea. The skepticism that sciences encourages by it's very nature fosters an idea of challenge

Religion discourages open skepticism of it's idea because it requires blind faith

$1:

And science is not full of hypocrisy and contradiction?

Science is based upon open debate, research, experiment and testing. Can you say the same of religion?

[HyperionTheEvil]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Gunnair Gunnair:

The implications that shaving one's head is emblematic of a self destructive lifestyle is simply mind boggling...

Bart, you do your argument no damned good with posts like that. Just saying is all.

I see you've never heard of scatting. I believe you can find some lovely examples of this on torrent.

Ah yes , open hatred.

Good to see your actually showing your true colours here. Now you're equating gay lifestyle with corophillia.

Here;s where i blow a hole in your bigoted theory

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coprophilia

$1:

18% of heterosexuals and 17% of homosexuals in the study pool had tried coprophilia, showing no statistically significant difference between heterosexuals and homosexuals.

[Brenda]

$1:

Prove that gays and lesbians are "Very self destructive. You've made a blanket statement here that all gays and lesbians lead such lives, Please provide peer reviwed articles from at least 10 reaserch facilites that back up such claims

The only "self destructive" part of gays and lesbians that I can come up with is that without science, they can't (or more, won't) procreate, and that would mean that if every one was gay, human kind would be extinct in no time.

[Lemmy]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

It's not the practice I'm noting here, it's the lifestyles.

For instance, have you ever wondered why some gay men who would otherwise have a full head of hair shave their heads bald?

(Hint; it ain't a fashion statement.)

Keep digging.

[Gunnair]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Gunnair Gunnair:

The implications that shaving one's head is emblematic of a self destructive lifestyle is simply mind boggling...

Bart, you do your argument no damned good with posts like that. Just saying is all.

I see you've never heard of scatting. I believe you can find some lovely examples of this on torrent.

I have and I'm curious how you think you can attribute this to the purview of homosexuals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coprophilia

$1:

A study of 164 male sadomasochists from Finland from two sadomasochism clubs[4] found that 18.2% had engaged in coprophilia; 3% as a sadist, 6.1% as a masochist, and 9.1% as both. 18% of heterosexuals and 17% of homosexuals in the study pool had tried coprophilia, showing no statistically significant difference between heterosexuals and homosexuals.

Got some more?

[Gunnair]

HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Gunnair Gunnair:

The implications that shaving one's head is emblematic of a self destructive lifestyle is simply mind boggling...

Bart, you do your argument no damned good with posts like that. Just saying is all.

I see you've never heard of scatting. I believe you can find some lovely examples of this on torrent.

Ah yes , open hatred.

Good to see your actually showing your true colours here. Now you're equating gay lifestyle with corophillia.

Here;s where i blow a hole in your bigoted theory

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coprophilia

$1:

18% of heterosexuals and 17% of homosexuals in the study pool had tried coprophilia, showing no statistically significant difference between heterosexuals and homosexuals.

Damn it. Beat me to it.

[commanderkai]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

I've never understood why the extremes on both sides of the issue act as if this is an all-or-nothing argument. Scientific discoveries do not shake my faith and my faith does not blind me to scientific truths and I have a hard time dealing with people whose belief in religion or science is threatened by one or the other.

Agreed with this and other, similar statements about this faux science vs. religion battle. Science explains how things work. God is why things work the way they work.
I believe for most religious individuals, including priests and bishops and hell, even the Pope, believe this.

There will be times where religion and science butts heads. Abortion is a good one. Stem cells is another. Where life begins is a question that really does relate to theology, morality, ethics, etc. However, just because religion and science butts head, does not mean religion hates all science or innovation.

[BartSimpson]

In the matter of stem cells the simple fact is that they are harvested from fetuses that are either aborted or created in a lab and then destroyed for the purpose of stem cell harvesting. I appreciate that many of you see no ethical issue with creating human life for the express purpose of killing it but for myself and many others we see this as an ethical line that should not be crossed.
If a human fetus can be created and then destroyed in the name of research then why not create a full-term baby? Or why not use a six-year old for research? Once these lines are crossed and rationalized then what ethical barrier will fall next?

In the issue of the gay/lesbian lifestyle I also appreciate that the inherent political correctness of many of you effectively prevents an objective discussion of the fact that many aspects of gay-lesbian lifestyles are not socially acceptable when practised by heterosexuals. Further, many of those practises are patently unhealthy in the modern era such as 'barebacking' or not using a condom.

These are not practises unique to gays and lesbians, granted, but these practises are openly tolerated when they occur in the context of the gay and lesbian lifestyle.

Am I condemning anyone over this? No.

Am I addressing the original question? Yes.

Do I give a flying f*ck if what I say is unpopular?

[Brenda]

$1:

I appreciate that many of you see no ethical issue with creating human life for the express purpose of killing it but for myself and many others we see this as an ethical line that should not be crossed.

What about creating animal life for the sole purpose of consumption?

[commanderkai]

Brenda Brenda:

What about creating animal life for the sole purpose of consumption?

You don't see a distinction between a human life and a chicken, or a pig?

[Brenda]

commanderkai commanderkai:

Brenda Brenda:

What about creating animal life for the sole purpose of consumption?

You don't see a distinction between a human life and a chicken, or a pig?

Scientifically, yes. Religiously, no.

[BartSimpson]

Brenda Brenda:

commanderkai commanderkai:

Brenda Brenda:

What about creating animal life for the sole purpose of consumption?

You don't see a distinction between a human life and a chicken, or a pig?

Scientifically, yes. Religiously, no.

Interesting religion you have.

[Brenda]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Interesting religion you have.

All animals are Gods creatures, no? What gives us humans (also Gods creatures) the right to create animals for the sole purpose of consumption, while we cannot create stemcells for the sole purpose of curing disease?