Well, so far, based on what the 'evidence' released by the Israelis, they were far from right. Killing nine people to stop a shipment of food, toys and some power tools, knives, slingshots and gas masks is insane.
They killed nine people because these people were attacking them. Why do you have a hard time understanding this?
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Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:
bootlegga bootlegga:
Well, so far, based on what the 'evidence' released by the Israelis, they were far from right. Killing nine people to stop a shipment of food, toys and some power tools, knives, slingshots and gas masks is insane.
If Israel, with its fighter bombers, helicopter gunships and Merkava tanks is scared of activists arming themselves with that, they might as well pack it in and move to the South Pacific, because they are doomed. Frankly, I'm surprised Mossad couldn't rustle up a crate or two of AK-47s or RPGs to at least make it look like they had a real justification for boarding the ship.
IMO, this attack is quite similar to the German sinking of the Lusitania in WW1. The Germans contended that it was carrying weapons for Britain on board (as well as passengers), and therefore they had every right to sink her. As the aggressor, it was up to Germany to prove its point, which it failed to do. Israel has the same obligation here, and if that video represents the sum of the 'weapons' on board, then Israel had zero right to board here and create this whole mess. Until they can offer up real evidence (a few mysterious shell casings won't do it for me), then they are the guilty party here.
Now, if it had had a crate or two of AK-47s, mortar tubes, RPG-7s, whatever, any sort of real weapons, then I would back Israel, and strongly. But come on, what is Israel worried an Islamic David is going to kill the Jewish Goliath? It'd be laughable if nine people hadn't died and another dozen or so injured.
I generally come down on the side of Israel, but this time, they went way too far. It didn't help that some Muslims decided to poke the sleeping bear, but if country calls itself a democracy and styles itself one, then it has to act like one. If you want to the moral high ground, then really have to be more moral than your enemies. Killing idiots because they are 'smuggling' slingshots isn't something good democracies (or nations) do. To me, that's something that the Muslim dictatorships nearby would do, not a Western demiocracy.
Are you fucking stupid or something? The commandos put up these blockaids for the exact reason of trying to keep things like AK-47's, RPG and other rockets from getting into Gaza and in the hands of Hamas. As for the video, please just read the facts my god. The commandos were armed with nothing more than paintball guns and riotguns. The only actual guns they had were there side-arms. They were not expected what was suppose to be a aid ship to be so heavily swarmed with nutjob terrorists who wanted to kill them. Neither did they expect them to be prepared even with that. Those "activists" caught them unprepared as they beat them with metal pipes and stabbed them as they were grappling down a rope. Please, show me and the commandos how to defend off 20 guys all attacking you with metal pipes and knives all at once with nothing more than a paintball gun because I'd like to know. Obviously that's impossible so yes, that is a threat in that situation.
You know I am not even going to respond to anything more you say on the subject, you and anybody else like you. Normally I can refrain from getting angry about touchy subjects but anybody who well researches Israel and it's conflicts would be hard not to get touchy in the defense of Israel. Go look up Entabee or however it's spelled, battle of Entabee or something like that. Let me just give you a brief description of what that was about. Basicly it took place before the war on terror or infact terrorists being on anybodies radar. A bunch of muslim and some german muslim terrorists hijacked a Israeli flight, the flight was full of over 300 Israeli civilians. The terrorists made the pilots land in south africa in a area controlled by a warlord that was sympathetic to these group of terrorists and gave them shelter. They held these citizens captive. Guess what the world and the UN did for these people? Nothing, absolutely nothing. Israel begged and begged but they wouldn't budge. Guess what happened next? Israel said fuck this shit, because they would have to go over arab countries to refuel which they wouldn't allow. They luckily had this large aircraft called the hercules which had longer range without refueling, they loaded it up with soldiers. Flew to south africa, patrdropped and caught the warlords and terrorists soldiers by suprise and killed them all. They rescued the prisoners, all 300 except 1 who tried to escape and was executed and flew back to Israel.
Guess what happened next? The international community went into a uproar and bitched out Israel and even tryed to condem them for there actions. This was lead by the very same warlord who appealed to the UN that he was just holding the prisoners as a means to keep them safe. (You know how those African warlords are, always so very nice and upstanding citizens). The UN diddn't belive him but regardless they were still condeming Israel. They eventually let Israel go free with this action but they also made it clear they diddn't support it either. After that incident, Israel said fuck the international community and PR. Israel does nothing but try and protect itself and it's citizens. They get no help, nothing but bullshit from everybody and all they get this biased critisizm and bullshit. The shit happening today has been happening for awhile now starting from that one incident. Where terrorists hijacked Israel citizens, holding them hostage and even executed one of them. Nobody did anything, nobody would allow Israel to do anything. Israel acted quickly in order to save those peoples lives. If they had not done so, they certonly would have all been dead. So yeah, fuck you and fuck all anti-Israel protestors who protest them with a bias and prejiduce.
Holy fucking drama queen.
Does either of those posts sound like ones an "anti-Israel protester" would post?
Pull your head out of your ass. I said "If Israel had found real weapons, then it (i.e. the boarding) would be justified (see bolded text). But it didn't now did it? It found slingshots, some knives and gas masks. Hardly weapons of mass destruction...
Well, so far, based on what the 'evidence' released by the Israelis, they were far from right. Killing nine people to stop a shipment of food, toys and some power tools, knives, slingshots and gas masks is insane.
They killed nine people because these people were attacking them. Why do you have a hard time understanding this?
....possibly??
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Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 5:09 pm
Would you be saying the same thing had they killed a few commandoes? As we now understand things the commandoes were firing from the helicopter and boats alongside well before they had feet on the deck.
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Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 5:11 pm
yes...firing their paintball guns at guys who were firing rocks , marbles and ball bearings from slingshots.
Wada
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Paintballs do not kill or cause bullet holes in the top of the head of a standing man.
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Wada Wada:
Paintballs do not kill or cause bullet holes in the top of the head of a standing man.
Where can I find some info about the Israelis firing live weapons before being attacked?
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bootlegga bootlegga:
Holy fucking drama queen.
Does either of those posts sound like ones an "anti-Israel protester" would post?
Pull your head out of your ass. I said "If Israel had found real weapons, then it (i.e. the boarding) would be justified (see bolded text). But it didn't now did it? It found slingshots, some knives and gas masks. Hardly weapons of mass destruction...
Yes, I'm the Drama Queen. Excuse me for getting a litte upset considering I spent the last couple days argueing with morons who like you don't even bother reading any of the facts or even accept a unbiased view on the subject. I came across this topic and you are doing the exact same thing. As well, proof of which.
Israel did find real weapons. What do you think a knife is, a play toy? Amung that they found a unusual ammount of metal pipes that are all deadly weapons in themselves, if you do not think so. Come over to my house and I'll beat you with one. Maybe you'll change your mind after? Amung that they found firebombs, if you don't know what those are go look them up. However, being you diddn't know those were part of the collection I guess you diddn't bother to read it? Amung that, a commando had a bullet wound, possibly even more. I guess that magically just appeared right?
Oh and so sorry for miss-spelling the name Mr. Google, I was just reading the book about it and went off memory of the title. Though, I guess you have no comment on that operation yourself other than dumbfuck? The point of bringing that up was that Israel from it's excistance has been met by hostility and threats. Either from neighbour countries and it's armies or muslim terrorists who would want nothing more than to kill jews. That operation was the start of Israels attitude of telling the world to fuck off when it comes to Israel's security. The UN and International community did nothing for those Israeli citizens or even allowed Israel to rescue them. What's a bigger injustice? That death of some terrorists who took hostile action against Israel by taking there citizens captive and killing them or the death of innocent civilians and the fact nobody was willing to help them.
Everything Israel gets shit for is in the name of security and protection of it's civilians. Israel knows from history of it's own country that it cannot count on the UN or western countries to protect them in a widespread of dangers that would love nothing more than to whipe them out. The Gaza blockaid, a act of defense. The search of that aid ship, a act of defense. The shooting of those "activists". a act of defense. Nowhere has Israel done any wrong, however they are met with extreme violence, protest of people who are extremely missinformed, biased and even racist. Israel doesn't deserve this shit and frankly I am getting tired or these anti-Israel sheep blindly protesting them for things they did nothing wrong for in the name of there own defense.
That's like if all the Quebec sepretists took up arms and started terrorizing English provinces in order to be heard of the seperation subject. The CF was sent in to basicly push them back and protect there provinces and citizens but they were met with fire and killed the seperetists and the internalional communuty called Canada and the CF murdurers and barbarians. That would be fucked up and it is fucked up, however what puzzles me is why nobody sees how fucked that up that is when Israel does it. So yeah, excuse me for being a little irritated on the subject.
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Where can I find some info about the Israelis firing live weapons before being attacked?
He's made the 'declaration' . I think the onus is on him to prove his spurious claim that the Israelis were firing live rounds into the crowd before the commandoes boarded and were attacked with knives and metal posts. he won't, he can't ...because it didn't happen.
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Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 5:31 pm
I think if you know they were metal posts you already know my source.
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Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 5:35 pm
Wada Wada:
I think if you know they were metal posts you already know my source.
Seriously, you put it out there. I want to read it for myself. This is the first I've heard this. You need to cite your source.
Paintballs do not kill or cause bullet holes in the top of the head of a standing man.
Um... you read that I said they had pistols correct? However the fact they went in there with paintball guns and riot guns was to state they went in there to subdue not kill. It was only when met by extreme hostility did they resort to pulling out there pistols.
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Holy fucking drama queen. 
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