[Brenda]

stokes stokes:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Wow, Stokes. Surprised to she you taking this side of the debate.

I have travelled extensively in the middle east and as a culture they are really good people, I have been to a mosque, have had traditional arab meals and thoroughly enjoyed what this culture has to offer. I get frustrated when I read comments that these fine people dont belong in our country and that they need to assimilate or go home.

Having said that I have also seen the negative side as well which is the side we get bombarded with in the news.

I may be a conservative but I am not completely ignorant

THAT I totally agree with. They are. But, when you visit for example Saoudi Arabia, I, as a woman am expected to cover my arms and legs. It is not more than common courtesy to do it. Why can't we expect to drop your face covering? Wear a headscarf, fine, but show your face. Because THAT is common courtesy too...

[DerbyX]

stokes stokes:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Wow, Stokes. Surprised to she you taking this side of the debate.

I have travelled extensively in the middle east and as a culture they are really good people, I have been to a mosque, have had traditional arab meals and thoroughly enjoyed what this culture has to offer. I get frustrated when I read comments that these fine people dont belong in our country and that they need to assimilate or go home.

Having said that I have also seen the negative side as well which is the side we get bombarded with in the news.

I may be a conservative but I am not completely ignorant

Agreed. They are a different culture and nothing more. Far from being the people trying to force islam on the world they more then others actually make an effort to make laws (in their countries) that accommodate different beliefs.

That cannot be said about christianity.

[Brenda]

stokes stokes:

No Brenda, just catholics, but learning about other beliefs is a good thing

I went to a public school and got taught about all religions. I totally agree that that is a good thing. Without knowledge, you can not make a well thought of choice. (it doesnt sound like english, but I hope you get what I mean )

[DerbyX]

Brenda Brenda:

stokes stokes:

No Brenda, just catholics, but learning about other beliefs is a good thing

I went to a public school and got taught about all religions. I totally agree that that is a good thing. Without knowledge, you can not make a well thought of choice. (it doesnt sound like english, but I hope you get what I mean )

I didn't though I was supposed to. I went to school on a military base and I was forced to go to confession and forced to go to confirmation.

I certainly didn't learn anything about buddhism, islam, hinduism, or anything else.

I do recall in grade 5 a controversy where a few students left the morning prayer with escorts and permission and my teacher casting angry remarks.

Religion has no place in school. You want to teach it then fine. You take your kids to a church and let them provide religious indoctrination.

NOT in a school of learning.

[Proculation]

Well FOLKS,

I hope you at least read what I wrote about the error in the article

[Brenda]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Brenda Brenda:

stokes stokes:

No Brenda, just catholics, but learning about other beliefs is a good thing

I went to a public school and got taught about all religions. I totally agree that that is a good thing. Without knowledge, you can not make a well thought of choice. (it doesnt sound like english, but I hope you get what I mean )

I didn't though I was supposed to. I went to school on a military base and I was forced to go to confession and forced to go to confirmation.

I certainly didn't learn anything about buddhism, islam, hinduism, or anything else.

I do recall in grade 5 a controversy where a few students left the morning prayer with escorts and permission and my teacher casting angry remarks.

Religion has no place in school. You want to teach it then fine. You take your kids to a church and let them provide religious indoctrination.

NOT in a school of learning.

It was one hour a week. It didn't hurt anyone. Just part of life...

[Brenda]

Proculation Proculation:

Well FOLKS,

I hope you at least read what I wrote about the error in the article

Yes, I did. But does it really make a difference?
It is mandatory if she wants to immigrate, which is a personal choice. Drop the face covering ,and you are good to go.

[DerbyX]

Brenda Brenda:

It was one hour a week. It didn't hurt anyone. Just part of life...

No. It was religious indoctrination. Unless we can tell religions what they can and cannot teach in church then religion has no place in school.

[Proculation]

Brenda Brenda:

Proculation Proculation:

Well FOLKS,

I hope you at least read what I wrote about the error in the article

Yes, I did. But does it really make a difference?
It is mandatory if she wants to immigrate, which is a personal choice. Drop the face covering ,and you are good to go.

Yes but it's a big difference.
It's not like if someone wanted to attend french courses with the niqab. It was an OBLIGATED course to immigrate here. The teacher says "yes this person has enough french knowledge according to x,y,z.".

That's two different things.

[Brenda]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Brenda Brenda:

It was one hour a week. It didn't hurt anyone. Just part of life...

No. It was religious indoctrination. Unless we can tell religions what they can and cannot teach in church then religion has no place in society.

I didn't, and still don't think that way. I never concidered it indoctrination, because now I was able to make a choice with the knowledge I had. I didn't have to go to different churches, temples or whatever you want to call them to come to my choice. We were taught about all religions, all beliefs, including Atheism. So for me, it was just like any other subject.

[Brenda]

Proculation Proculation:

Brenda Brenda:

Proculation Proculation:

Well FOLKS,

I hope you at least read what I wrote about the error in the article

Yes, I did. But does it really make a difference?
It is mandatory if she wants to immigrate, which is a personal choice. Drop the face covering ,and you are good to go.

Yes but it's a big difference.
It's not like if someone wanted to attend french courses with the niqab. It was an OBLIGATED course to immigrate here. The teacher says "yes this person has enough french knowledge according to x,y,z.".

That's two different things.

She is already here. That means she is either a refugee (no proof of language necessary), on a family class visa (no proof of language necessary) or work permit. You'd think if someone got here on a work permit, they'd speak the language.

[DerbyX]

Brenda Brenda:

I didn't, and still don't think that way. I never concidered it indoctrination, because now I was able to make a choice with the knowledge I had. I didn't have to go to different churches, temples or whatever you want to call them to come to my choice. We were taught about all religions, all beliefs, including Atheism. So for me, it was just like any other subject.

The problem is religious teachings here amounts to christian only.

[Proculation]

@Brenda: we are in Quebec.

Here you HAVE to have a basic of french to immigrate. It is not like the other provinces.

They can pass the "english" barrier but since they are immigrating in Quebec, they have to follow "cours de francisation".

[ShepherdsDog]

Is this a course where people are forced to eat poutine, while listening to Celine Dion??

[Brenda]

Proculation Proculation:

@Brenda: we are in Quebec.

Here you HAVE to have a basic of french to immigrate. It is not like the other provinces.

They can pass the "english" barrier but since they are immigrating in Quebec, they have to follow "cours de francisation".

I know that. That is why I do not understand why someone who doesnt speak the language is there in the first place. Take that course in your home country.

When you immigrate as skilled worker, you have to provide proof of language skills. Either English or French. That means you have to take 4 tests in one day, a raison de $300+. You have to have a certain amount of points, and the language test is one way to get that. An old friend of mine had to take it 10 times because she needed 14 points, and she ended up with 12 all the time.
Anyhow, without the right amount of points, your application will be sent back to you, and you will be denied.

When you immigrate to Quebec, you have to proof a certain proviciency of the French language. WHY didnt she have that when she crossed the border?