[OnTheIce]

romanP romanP:

But that 60% had no opinion on the 14 prorogues of Chretien and Trudeau?

I have no idea. I don't even know what you're trying to prove by bringing that up. "It's okay because they did it too" is something a five year old says to his mom after picking a fight with the kid down the street.

What he's trying to prove is the hypocrisy of the entire argument the Liberals have with prorogation. Liberals alike were fully accepting of this commonly used procedure only until it was used by the Conservatives.

Point being, this has nothing to do with what's right for Canada, this is an issue they're trying to make big to gain political points.

romanP romanP:

We wouldn't be able to do anything in Haiti if our government was run for the past 160 years like Stephen Harper wants it run.

I just lost all respect for anything you write following that. Harpers actions are directly the reason why we can be in Haiti so quickly as he's bought the necessary equipment and returned our armed forces back from the brink of World wide. embarrassment.

Had this Country still be run by Liberals, we'd have to wait weeks to borrow equipment for our relief efforts.

[Akhenaten]

"It's okay because they did it too"


(sigh).


Lawyer stands up in court to defend his client who is admittedly guilty of shoplifting. The judge hands him 20 years. The lawyer says, "Your honour, precedent shows no just cause for you to put my client away in jail for 20 years because he stole a loaf of bread. No other person convicted of shoplifting has ever had a sentence harsher than 6 months handed to them over the same crime"

Judge says, "Oh! So you're saying it's okay because other people did it too!"


It's not about justification. It's about rational relative response.

[OnTheIce]

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

"It's okay because they did it too"


(sigh).


Lawyer stands up in court to defend his client who is admittedly guilty of shoplifting. The judge hands him 20 years. The lawyer says, "Your honour, precedent shows no just cause for you to put my client away in jail for 20 years because he stole a loaf of bread. No other person convicted of shoplifting has ever had a sentence harsher than 6 months handed to them over the same crime"

Judge says, "Oh! So you're saying it's okay because other people did it too!"


It's not about justification. It's about rational relative response.

That's not the argument at all.

Why was it always acceptable in the past but now it's not?

The reason is, it's the only issue the Liberals have to sink their teeth into.

Period.

[Zipperfish]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

I just lost all respect for anything you write following that. Harpers actions are directly the reason why we can be in Haiti so quickly as he's bought the necessary equipment and returned our armed forces back from the brink of World wide. embarrassment.

Had this Country still be run by Liberals, we'd have to wait weeks to borrow equipment for our relief efforts.

Hey, when you have no sense of fiscal responsbility, it's easy to keep everyone happy. The deficit is a record $60 billion this year. That's $60 billion more spending than revenue. So Harper was able to pay off all his fat-cat banking buddies and throw money at teh military and keep Quebec happy and throw money around to all comers. Seems he's found teh magic formula all right. Spend like you just stole a credit card. In this case, the stolen credit card belongs to our kids.

But sorry to interrupt. I didn't want to get in the way of you using teh suffering of millions to push your cheap partisan agenda.

[OnTheIce]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

I just lost all respect for anything you write following that. Harpers actions are directly the reason why we can be in Haiti so quickly as he's bought the necessary equipment and returned our armed forces back from the brink of World wide. embarrassment.

Had this Country still be run by Liberals, we'd have to wait weeks to borrow equipment for our relief efforts.

Hey, when you have no sense of fiscal responsbility, it's easy to keep everyone happy. The deficit is a record $60 billion this year. That's $60 billion more spending than revenue. So Harper was able to pay off all his fat-cat banking buddies and throw money at teh military and keep Quebec happy and throw money around to all comers. Seems he's found teh magic formula all right. Spend like you just stole a credit card. In this case, the stolen credit card belongs to our kids.

But sorry to interrupt. I didn't want to get in the way of you using teh suffering of millions to push your cheap partisan agenda.

Yea, so the entire World, all of the Countries throwing billions in aid to their economy are a bunch of financial retards.

Oh wait, only Stephen Harper is the idiot for running a deficit. The rest of the people are brilliant managers of taxpayer funds.

Let's not talk about cheap partisan agenda when you drop turds like that.

[Akhenaten]

$1:

That's not the argument at all.

Why was it always acceptable in the past but now it's not?

I think it is. Maybe I'm misunderstanding. I understand your point that it was never a big stink made about it in the past, but the truth is when Chretien did it he did it as a crass political maneuver just like this one. I rolled my eyes at it then and I roll my eyes at it now: rational, relative response.

Not the same as ignoring it when Chretien did it, then screaming, "Harper = Hitler" when he does it. That's NOT a rational, relative response.

I think you and I are arguing the same thing, non?

[Zipperfish]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Yea, so the entire World, all of the Countries throwing billions in aid to their economy are a bunch of financial retards.

Oh wait, only Stephen Harper is the idiot for running a deficit. The rest of the people are brilliant managers of taxpayer funds.

Let's not talk about cheap partisan agenda when you drop turds like that.

Well, let's just look at the record here on CKA, on the ice. First of all let's look at that little blue C next to your name. Next, let's take into account that in all the--what?--2300 posts--you've made to this site, you have never deviated from the official Conservative Party position on any issue. You, sirrah, are Partisan Hack defined.

Christ, I don't even have to read your posts to know what it's going to say. I just need to go to the Conservative website and their would be the OnTheIce response right there. And that's fine--it takes all types, and I don't really have to read the posts of boring people who are incapable of individual thought anyways. There's lot of more interesting posters here.

But...when you start using the suffering of millions in Haiti as a platform for partisan hackery, you can expect to hear from me. The suffering is clearly nothing to you except--like everything else in your post history--another opporutnity advertise the Conservative brand.

[OnTheIce]

Yawn...more misinformed dribble.

So many inaccuracies, so little time.

[EyeBrock]

poquas poquas:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

poquas poquas:

I've never voted Liberal. I've always voted Conservative.

It doesn't matter who prorogues, it's wrong.

In Harper's case it's much worse than those in the past. He blatantly refused to deal with the tough issues and decided to cut and run instead.

The man is a control freak and a coward.

Yes and we remember you well poquas. The "Tory" that does nothing but slag them.

Yes Eyebrock. “We” remember you as well. The rent-a-cop with the attitude problems.

When the Tories stop acting like poorly behaved five year olds, under the command of a cowardly two year old, I’ll stop slagging them.

If I remember it was you accusing people of being into child porn and generally telling us how we were all plebs. We'll see if you've changed eh?

It doesn't lool like it.

Oh, what's a rent-a-cop by the way?

[EyeBrock]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Yea, so the entire World, all of the Countries throwing billions in aid to their economy are a bunch of financial retards.

Oh wait, only Stephen Harper is the idiot for running a deficit. The rest of the people are brilliant managers of taxpayer funds.

Let's not talk about cheap partisan agenda when you drop turds like that.

Well, let's just look at the record here on CKA, on the ice. First of all let's look at that little blue C next to your name. Next, let's take into account that in all the--what?--2300 posts--you've made to this site, you have never deviated from the official Conservative Party position on any issue. You, sirrah, are Partisan Hack defined.

Christ, I don't even have to read your posts to know what it's going to say. I just need to go to the Conservative website and their would be the OnTheIce response right there. And that's fine--it takes all types, and I don't really have to read the posts of boring people who are incapable of individual thought anyways. There's lot of more interesting posters here.

But...when you start using the suffering of millions in Haiti as a platform for partisan hackery, you can expect to hear from me. The suffering is clearly nothing to you except--like everything else in your post history--another opporutnity advertise the Conservative brand.

Zip, I have the 'C' mark of Cain also. I'm not a tub-thumper for the Tories though.

Generally I'll try and see the logic of both sides but on this prorogue-in-a-teacup I'm not getting it. This is a parlimentary procedure that has been used reasonably often and especially by Trudeau, to a lessor extent by Chretien too.

To brush that off with the 'Liberals/Tories did it too' argument isn't cutting it with me, just as me pointing out the past prorogues to you isn't doing it for you!

This whole anti-prorogue thing has taken on a very distinct and obvious partisan slant.

It's obvious we have all pick sides on this and further discussion is going to be fruitless.

Join me in nominating this for the popcorn thread!

[romanP]

$1:

romanP romanP:

We wouldn't be able to do anything in Haiti if our government was run for the past 160 years like Stephen Harper wants it run.

I just lost all respect for anything you write following that.

That's okay. Following what you just wrote, I don't want the respect of someone who thinks that adults who belong to one of the highest governmental bodies in our country should behave like five year olds in a sandbox.

$1:

Harpers actions are directly the reason why we can be in Haiti so quickly as he's bought the necessary equipment and returned our armed forces back from the brink of World wide. embarrassment.

We would still be able to help in Haiti whether Parliament was prorogued or not. My point has clearly sailed right over your head, because you don't seem to have understood a word of it. Let me repeat it: if this country, for the past 140 years, had been run the way Stephen Harper wants to play, we wouldn't have a country capable of sending help to Haiti.

$1:

Had this Country still be run by Liberals, we'd have to wait weeks to borrow equipment for our relief efforts.

We wouldn't even be able to borrow anything if our country had always been run on the principal that democracy destabilises markets.

[romanP]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

That's not the argument at all.
Why was it always acceptable in the past but now it's not?

It is exactly the argument. It wasn't acceptable then and it's even less acceptable now.

[romanP]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

To brush that off with the 'Liberals/Tories did it too' argument isn't cutting it with me, just as me pointing out the past prorogues to you isn't doing it for you!

You're trying to argue two sides of the same "they did it too" coin. Try again.

If it doesn't cut it, then stop saying it. No one you accuse of saying "It was okay when the Liberals did it" has actually said any such thing. Only you and others that align yourselves with the Conservative Party message have made that argument.

[EyeBrock]

romanP romanP:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

To brush that off with the 'Liberals/Tories did it too' argument isn't cutting it with me, just as me pointing out the past prorogues to you isn't doing it for you!

You're trying to argue two sides of the same "they did it too" coin. Try again.

If it doesn't cut it, then stop saying it. No one you accuse of saying "It was okay when the Liberals did it" has actually said any such thing. Only you and others that align yourselves with the Conservative Party message have made that argument.

Yes, very well regurgitated Ice Owl. I’ll carry on waiting for you to post an original thought.

I was actually posting it as a reply to Zip. Didn’t you ever get told it was rude to interrupt?

[OnTheIce]

romanP romanP:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

That's not the argument at all.
Why was it always acceptable in the past but now it's not?

It is exactly the argument. It wasn't acceptable then and it's even less acceptable now.

According to you and a few others.

The majority of us don't give a shit now and didn't give a shit back then.

It's just funny that those who didn't care before suddenly do cause who's in power.