[Proculation]

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

Proculation Proculation:

Want it or not, America is like the police of the world. So saying that it is bad, it's like saying the police is bad for doing its job.

America wants to be the police of the world because it is has the military might to do so. However there policing messes up a ton of shit than it solves. Hence my Team America reference. The South Park guys had the same idea about American World Policing and they were Americans.

As for your police reference, you don't see Canadian cops chasing bank robbers down in America while causing property damage do you? No, because the police force is designed to protect the citizens and fight crime in its OWN territory. American World Policing is like spending billions of dollars and causing millions of infestructure damage in order to catch lets say. A rapist in England.

Every now and again you will have some neighbouring country with a State or Province near by who could use some police, fire dep, backup. Generally they will call whoever is closest and if that be Canadian Police and Fire Dep. Than you may find Canadians cops in America doing there thing or vice versa but they could never do that without being invited.

That doesn't happen regarding America's world policing.

If I understand well your point of view, you would be like the Neville Chamberlain of the new millenium ?

[BeaverFever]

sandorski sandorski:

There's no advantage to being "Pro"-American. The US looks after Its' interests and we look after ours. Overall I think the US has been "good" for the World, but that "good" is very blemished. Certainly not clearly "good" enough to not be leery about their intentions.

I'm Pro-Canadian, Pro-"someone else" is not a general State and is only given out on an Issue by Issue basis.

I would agree with this post, with one important qualification: Overall I think the US has been "good" for the Western world, and that good is very blemished. I dont think people who live outside the Western world have been done many favours by the US or Europe or Canada. All the international "aid" we send them comes with so many strings attached, its more often a tool to manipulate the governments of those nations rather than genuine assistance. And we're just as eager to prop up and support their autocratic dictators when it suits our interests as we are to oppose them, which usually only happens when those interests become compromised.

[WNYguy]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Bacardi, I chuckled reading your comment indicating your displeasure at Canadians being considered anti-American and then followed up with a litany of reasons why you are anti-American.

Not that you're a racist, mind you, but your complaint is sort of like someone complaining about being called a racist.

While they're wearing a sheet.

And burning a cross.

At a lynching.

LOL - perfect

[WNYguy]

ridenrain ridenrain:

The fact that Canada is still Canada is proof enough of the good intentions of America. It's definately not because of our diplomacy toward our big brother, or our comittment to fund our defence.

We are not brothers, by any stretch of the imagination.

[Regina]

WNYguy WNYguy:

We are not brothers, by any stretch of the imagination.

Hey the guy with an internet education is back.

[Zipperfish]

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

Would not be fun at all no sir.

And stop call me "sir," or I'll kick you in the seat of your pants!!!

[Biblesmasher]

Between its unending wars/invasions and overthrows of democratically elected leaders and funding of terrorist organizations in latin America and elsewhere Id say that pretty much balances out its "force for good" credentials. Its a neutral country in my opinion.

And for the people scoffing at the idea of an invasion maybe have never heard of war plan red? Google that shits. Sure it was more of a hypothetical exercise but it just shows U.S.A's mindset. America cares about itself and itself only(as do most countries frankly)so if Canada ever decided to ball up and wanted something important that was in conflict with U.S.(like enforcing sovereignty over the north west passage par exemple)you bet your ass wed get usurped. Don't delude yourselves.

[Akhenaten]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

Would not be fun at all no sir.

And stop call me "sir," or I'll kick you in the seat of your pants!!!

You deserve 'sir'.

It's not like I thought your opinion was 'out to lunch'.

[BartSimpson]

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

America wants to be the police of the world because it is has the military might to do so. However there policing messes up a ton of shit than it solves.

Who would do it better?

[BartSimpson]

Biblesmasher Biblesmasher:

And for the people scoffing at the idea of an invasion maybe have never heard of war plan red?

The war colleges make plans for invading numerous countries and you should know that those plans are often made in concert with the military or legitimate government of said country.

Were Canada invaded by a hostile nation and it fell to the USA to invade and restore Canadian sovereignty it would help if we had some idea of what objectives needed to be attained before a crisis occurs. This is a lesson we learned in the liberation of France. The War Department had given ZERO consideration to invading a friendly nation and then when we needed to do exactly that we didn't even have up-to-date road maps for the troops. Patton passed out his collection of Michelin road maps to his commanders and he also consulted old books about military movements of the past to determine the best routes for his armor.

So, yes, we have plans to invade Canada. And if we had to invade Canada I'd expect us to be doing so fighting side by side with the CF. Oh, and God help whoever is in the way.

[Biblesmasher]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

America wants to be the police of the world because it is has the military might to do so. However there policing messes up a ton of shit than it solves.

Who would do it better?

A nation that actually was the police of the world and didn't pretend that every self interested invasion overthrow or arms deal with a dictator was "policing the world" or a "fight for freedom".

For the record I don't hate America or think its the worst country going like some people ludicrously claim. I just don't buy this force for good nonsense. Its a force for its own good. That's neither here nor there.

[Biblesmasher]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Biblesmasher Biblesmasher:

And for the people scoffing at the idea of an invasion maybe have never heard of war plan red?

The war colleges make plans for invading numerous countries and you should know that those plans are often made in concert with the military or legitimate government of said country.

Were Canada invaded by a hostile nation and it fell to the USA to invade and restore Canadian sovereignty it would help if we had some idea of what objectives needed to be attained before a crisis occurs. This is a lesson we learned in the liberation of France. The War Department had given ZERO consideration to invading a friendly nation and then when we needed to do exactly that we didn't even have up-to-date road maps for the troops. Patton passed out his collection of Michelin road maps to his commanders and he also consulted old books about military movements of the past to determine the best routes for his armor.

So, yes, we have plans to invade Canada. And if we had to invade Canada I'd expect us to be doing so fighting side by side with the CF. Oh, and God help whoever is in the way.

Sorry the war plans I referenced would NOT have been in concert with the Canadian forces. It was aggression planned against Britain via Canada.

"God help whoever is in the way." Exactly. and by virtue of that fact Canadians are justifiably weary. Being tragically outnumbered almost 10-1 will always bring concern for the 1.

[Akhenaten]

No doubt in my mind that the US has multiple contingecy plans in the event of alien attack, and has probably had them since the '50's.

Probably not going to happen though.

If they have contingency plans for attack or defend for every nation on the planet it would neither alarm or surprise me. That's military war games/colleges for you. What else are they going to do?

If they have a contingency plan for every nation, then this returns us to status quo. I.e. a US contingency plan to invade Canada is only alarming if they only have a handful of these plans for a handful of nations -- suggests there's more to it than just 'contingency'. If they have one for everyone well that's no different than no plans at all; naturally they could muster an attack towards anyone, consequences notwithstanding.

I'm still not remembering the last war the US (or US and allies as the case may be) won where they annexed the losing nation or really any part of it.

[BartSimpson]

Biblesmasher Biblesmasher:

Sorry the war plans I referenced would NOT have been in concert with the Canadian forces. It was aggression planned against Britain via Canada.

I'm speaking to the present tense and not past history.

Biblesmasher Biblesmasher:

"God help whoever is in the way." Exactly. and by virtue of that fact Canadians are justifiably weary. Being tragically outnumbered almost 10-1 will always bring concern for the 1.

I guess you're missing my reference to how the US & Canada are allies and that we've fought side-by-side in the past.

That puts you among those "Canadians who still distrust the United States" then.

Myself, I don't know why you folks worry about the USA doing anything against Canada when so many Canadians are responsible for running things down here.

[BartSimpson]

Biblesmasher Biblesmasher:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

America wants to be the police of the world because it is has the military might to do so. However there policing messes up a ton of shit than it solves.

Who would do it better?

A nation that actually was the police of the world and didn't pretend that every self interested invasion overthrow or arms deal with a dictator was "policing the world" or a "fight for freedom".

And the name of that nation is....?