[Proculation]

poquas poquas:

After reading three pages, I have to wonder why so many people are so paranoid. Vaccines are not new. The new ones are produced in exactly the same way, using dead virus, using the same additives that have been used for decades.

To date, there is NO PROOF WHATSOEVER that any vaccine over the past 10 -20 years or any of its additives are a cause for any kind of reaction other than for people who have an egg allergy (the vaccine is produced in eggs).

H1N1 is rated pandemic because of its speed of infection. By the end of this season, it’s very likely you WILL catch it. The unknown is why young, healthy people are dying because of it.

Play the odds. No shot, you’re very likely going to be exposed to this particular flu and you will probably experience an illness and spread it to someone else causing the same in someone else. Death isn’t guaranteed nor is a few weeks on a ventilator. In fact you may not experience anything at all and your experience will be seeing a family member or good friend die instead.

Get the shot and you, your family, and your friends will be safe. The odds of a serious side effect is measured in one in the multi-millions.

Thanks ! At least someone thinking clearly ! There's no conspiracy here. We are preventing that's all.

[Akhenaten]

...and yet you have no answer for why the sky didn't fall last year as predicted, when there was no vaccine.

I personally am not insinuating a conspricy so you might have to accept the fact that people aren't deciding not to get vaccinated because they believe there's a conspiricy.

[Proculation]

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

$1:

Play the odds. No shot, you’re very likely going to be exposed to this particular flu and you will probably experience an illness and spread it to someone else causing the same in someone else. Death isn’t guaranteed nor is a few weeks on a ventilator. In fact you may not experience anything at all and your experience will be seeing a family member or good friend die instead.

Nope.

This simply doesn't jive with the experience we had here in Canada when there was no vaccine or that of Australia and new Zealand who also didn't have a vaccine last year and the paranoid claims that it would tax the health system never occured. So to tell people that they will 'probably experience illness' is absurd.

1 in 3 is quite high in probability for me.

[Proculation]

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

...and yet you have no answer for why the sky didn't fall last year as predicted, when there was no vaccine.

I personally am not insinuating a conspricy so you might have to accept the fact that people aren't deciding not to get vaccinated because they believe there's a conspiricy.

We are talking about H1N1 flu here, not last year flu.
A healthy 13yo died in Toronto yesterday 36 hours only after getting sick.

[Akhenaten]

$1:

1 in 3 is quite high in probability for me.

Look to date there have been 7983 cases of H1N1 in Canada, and 25 fatalities.

So you say 1 in 3. Ok by those numbers we should be able to resurrect this thread in a month or two and at least 2-3 of us (who havent been vaccinated) should have contracted the virus. I say it won't happen. Care to take it up as a bet?

[Akhenaten]

Proculation Proculation:

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

...and yet you have no answer for why the sky didn't fall last year as predicted, when there was no vaccine.

I personally am not insinuating a conspricy so you might have to accept the fact that people aren't deciding not to get vaccinated because they believe there's a conspiricy.

We are talking about H1N1 flu here, not last year flu.
A healthy 13yo died in Toronto yesterday 36 hours only after getting sick.

So am I. were you asleep all last year when H1N1 was all the rage in the media?

[Proculation]

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

$1:

1 in 3 is quite high in probability for me.

Look to date there have been 7983 cases of H1N1 in Canada, and 25 fatalities.

So you say 1 in 3. Ok by those numbers we should be able to resurrect this thread in a month or two and at least 2-3 of us (who havent been vaccinated) should have contracted the virus. I say it won't happen. Care to take it up as a bet?

It won't be 1 in 3 since we are vaccinating people. We are taking prevention measures. And the virus appeared this spring not last year. We have not hit the flu season yet.

[Akhenaten]

BTW, the odds of experiencing a serious side effect are not one in the 'multimillions' but rather 1 in 10000. Not enough to scare me away from getting it but not one in 'multimillions'.

[Akhenaten]

$1:

It won't be 1 in 3 since we are vaccinating people

Please read what I said again. I took that into account, plainly. Now again: there will be plenty of people here not getting the shot. According to you 1 in 3 should get the virus, all I'm suggesting is we put that to the test -- obviously and as previously stated only taking into account people who didn't get the vaccine. Last year we had the same thing with no virus and I think it's fairly obvious that one in three Canadians didn't get H1N1.

$1:

And the virus appeared this spring not last year. We have not hit the flu season yet.

Dude we went through this same thing last year. Look at the stats I provided please. Same thing with Australia and New Zealand. During their flu season last year they predicted a heavy sick rate but didn't experience anything close to what htey predicted.

[Proculation]

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

BTW, the odds of experiencing a serious side effect are not one in the 'multimillions' but rather 1 in 10000. Not enough to scare me away from getting it but not one in 'multimillions'.

Where did you take that number ? What I always hear is 1 or 2 in a million.

[Proculation]

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

$1:

It won't be 1 in 3 since we are vaccinating people

Please read what I said again. I took that into account, plainly. Now again: there will be plenty of people here not getting the shot. According to you 1 in 3 should get the virus, all I'm suggesting is we put that to the test -- obviously and as previously stated only taking into account people who didn't get the vaccine.

Like I said, it won't be 1 in 3 since we are vaccinating people. Vaccination is not only to protect you but also to stop the spreading of the disease.

[Akhenaten]

$1:

Where did you take that number ? What I always hear is 1 or 2 in a million.

http://www.emea.europa.eu/humandocs/PDF ... h832en.pdf


Look at the 'rare' and 'very rare' side effects. They are very serious and they start at 1 in 1000.

$1:

Adverse reactions reported are listed according to the following frequency:
Very common (≥1/10)
Common (≥1/100 to <1/10)
Uncommon (≥1/1,000 to <1/100)
Rare (≥1/10,000 to <1/1,000)
Very rare (<1/10,000)
Rare:
Neuralgia, convulsions, transient thrombocytopenia.
Allergic reactions, in rare cases leading to shock, have been reported.

[Akhenaten]

$1:

Like I said, it won't be 1 in 3 since we are vaccinating people.

And around the mullberry bush we go again. One more time. Last year we had an outbreak of the same virus. No vaccine. Did 1 in 3 of us get the virus? Yes or no please.

[Proculation]

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

$1:

Like I said, it won't be 1 in 3 since we are vaccinating people.

And around the mullberry bush we go again. One more time. Last year we had an outbreak of the same virus. No vaccine. Did 1 in 3 of us get the virus? Yes or no please.

It was last spring not last year.
We are already in a pandemic situation according to the WHO. Why take the chances of getting that flu if you can immunize yourself for free easily with a little shot ? I just don't understand the logic here. When you can prevent, you do.

[Akhenaten]

$1:

It was last spring not last year.

No it was also last year...2008. Look it up. Since you don't want to put your 1 in 3 to the test or even compare it with last year amoung numerious nations including Canada then i'll conclude you don't really believe it yourself.

(one minute i need to get the vaccine or i have a 1 in 3 chancve of getting the flu....next minute i won't have that chance because everyone is getting vaccinated. Please pick a lane and stick with it ok? Eitehr I have a 1 in 3 chance of getting it because I didnt get vaccinated or I don't. Which is it?)

$1:

I just don't understand the logic here. When you can prevent, you do.

Because as mentioned before you can prevent it simply by ensuring your immune system is healthy. Those odds are better imo. You provided good info on the testing of the drug Proculation so kudos for that. Don't take what I'm saying the wrong way.