[KorbenDeck]

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How can a Catholic priest be forced to marry a gay couple ? That's non sense.

Happens all the time, because refusing to marry a gay couple is against that couples charter rights to equality.

[Proculation]

KorbenDeck KorbenDeck:

Proculation Proculation:

How can a Catholic priest be forced to marry a gay couple ? That's non sense.

Happens all the time, because refusing to marry a gay couple is against that couples charter rights to equality.

eeeeh.... gay couples are against catholicism. Gay couples marry with judges or other "agent de la paix". Not priests.

[Brenda]

KorbenDeck KorbenDeck:

Brenda Brenda:

A pastor not wanting to marry you, is a private, or in this case a church issue. Legally, we can marry whomever we want.

A pastor not wanting to marry you is a religious issue. However he can be forced to perform the marriage. So that is an example of where religious freedom does not hold in Canada. Religious freedom in Canada is not total and absolute (it almost is but not totally). The separation of Church and State which is supposed to mean not having religion in our laws, having polygamous marriages would mean that the separation of Church and State isn't being upheld because now marriage is being defined by religion again and not by law.

You can marry before god whatever you want, you still have to legalize it by law, right?

[Brenda]

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KorbenDeck KorbenDeck:

Proculation Proculation:

How can a Catholic priest be forced to marry a gay couple ? That's non sense.

Happens all the time, because refusing to marry a gay couple is against that couples charter rights to equality.

eeeeh.... gay couples are against catholicism. Gay couples marry with judges or other "agent de la paix". Not priests.

I don't believe every gay is "against catholicism". I also don't believe they want to marry in church, tho.

[ShepherdsDog]

Priests, ministers and rabbis don't have to marry gay couples, although some will if their denomination recognizes same sex marriages(ie. United Church and the Anglican Church). That was clearly stated in the beginning of the SSM controversy. Secular officials don't have the choice as they are government employees.

[Proculation]

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I don't believe every gay is "against catholicism". I also don't believe they want to marry in church, tho.

Sorry, I misphrased. I meant, "catholicism is against gay marriages" so how can catholic priests marry a gay couple in a church ?

[Proculation]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Priests, ministers and rabbis don't have to marry gay couples, although some will if their denomination recognizes same sex marriages(ie. United Church and the Anglican Church). That was clearly stated in the beginning of the SSM controversy. Secular officials don't have the choice as they are government employees.

That's what I meant. If gay couples want to marry they can but with a judge or something like that.

[ShepherdsDog]

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I don't believe every gay is "against catholicism". I also don't believe they want to marry in church, tho.

Sorry, I misphrased. I meant, "catholicism is against gay marriages" so how can catholic priests marry a gay couple in a church ?

Even if the priest performed the ceremony, the Church itself wouldn't recognize it. The priest would likely find himself in a bit of doo doo too....and no I don't mean altar boy doo doo.

[KorbenDeck]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Priests, ministers and rabbis don't have to marry gay couples, although some will if their denomination recognizes same sex marriages(ie. United Church and the Anglican Church). That was clearly stated in the beginning of the SSM controversy. Secular officials don't have the choice as they are government employees.

They stated it clearly at the beginning yes, but anyone who knows politics knows that what is said and what is done is totally different.

Because a priest cannot refuse to marry a couple because they are gay, a Church cannot refuse to let a couple use their Church based on homosexuality. Yes priest and pastors can be forced to preform a gay marriage. I am not religious but I have met Christians where their pastors were forced to preform the marriage and the Church was forced to let the couples use the Church.

The protection of religious freedom in Canada in theory extends to all religions, in reality that protection is only granted to non-Christians. It is impossible to accommodate all religions, anyone who says otherwise needs to start reading up on the subject.

Back on topic. Separation of Church and State, that was the argument used a lot of the time for gay marriage. That same argument can be used against polygamy, "union between two people" is the state definition of marriage. By changing the definition of marriage to fit a religion would go against Separation of Church and State.

[Proculation]

Personnaly, polygamy (like gay marriage) doesn't hurt anyone. It is done consentually. What's the problem ? Sorry girls: we are made like that. That's nature. You don't like it ? Well marry with a man who believes in monogamy and let other people live their life !

[CanadianJeff]

The reason we limit unions to one man and one woman was to make sure society had a functional idea that worked for a family unit.

Of course with new values the idea of a family unit has to change as well. We have many couples today getting divorced and many more single mothers and fathers due to various reasons.

I could go into my own feelings on the matter but if you want to debate it shouldn't the question really be if polygamy can produce a functional family unit the majority of the time.

If it can't then I think it's clear that we all agree that we want lower divorce rates and happier kids and we shouldn't approve something that will hinder that goal.

So does Polygamy help or hinder the children and the family produced by it's unions?

edit: On the subject of church and state I think it's very clear that a total separation of the two is impossible. The very nature of a states values often come of it's religious values. If that were not the case people wouldn't be so distrustful of electing an atheist. Love it or hate it it seems that so long as the majority of people are brought up to follow god that's the way things are.

[Guy_Fawkes]

I say allow it, have a license of 150 per union but in order to get divorced it will cost you 200 per union. Turn this insanity into a cash cow.

[OldChum]

Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:

I say allow it, have a license of 150 per union but in order to get divorced it will cost you 200 per union. Turn this insanity into a cash cow.

[KorbenDeck]

My opposition to polygamy is that it is something that can be abused far to easily. Considering that many of the religions that practices polygamy actively treat women as property, arrange/force marriage and child brides.

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If it can't then I think it's clear that we all agree that we want lower divorce rates and happier kids and we shouldn't approve something that will hinder that goal.

Would it reduce divorce rates or simply make it harder to get one? Polygamy would effectively says that having an affair is no longer grounds for divorce because it is our right to seek out more spouses.

[ShepherdsDog]

Polygamy doesn't work because you only have one set of nuts to dangle as some woman's earrings.