[EyeBrock]

Mustang1 Mustang1:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Mustang1 Mustang1:

Anyone that gets Canadian politics won't count out Iggy or Liberals before any election. Firstly, pre-election polls are notoriously unreliable (and history has shown numerous times that election issues/conduct can radically alter numbers) and open to interpretation, secondly, the Tories haven't necessarily shone in power, so why reward them with an electoral mandate? Where votes make an electoral difference - in Ontario and Quebec - i don't see the great silent majority, especially in Ontario, simply discarding the Liberals only to grant the Conservatives a majority. Doesn't wash

I'll wait and see till the election does indeed start

It will be another minority mustang, Lib or CPC, it's really too close to tell and the percentage/seat advantage will depend on who fucks up the least during the campaign.

Both Iggy and Harper have elements within their parties that can easily screw things up for them in a campaign.

I wouldn't like to call the next one.

I think you're right...minority, likely Tory or Grit, unless something happens (ask John Tory about it) during the campaign.

Yea, Tory wrote the book on how not to run an effective campaign. Harper started well last time but made very silly political errors.

The whole artists funding thing was a prime example. Silly moves indeed. I think Iggy will put his foot in his mouth too.

Both of them are bright guys but both of them are arrogant and they will dismiss wiser counsel because they think they know better.

Like I say, the one who fucks up the least will win. We have such high standards in Canadian politics at the moment, it's enough to make you weep.

[DerbyX]

Praxius Praxius:

Certainly not as much as they and everybody else was predicting.

Depends on the poll but in general yes.

Praxius Praxius:

Now there's a political tactic I never understood.

Because they Green Party gained a bit in popularity, they sapped votes from the Conservatives?

What makes you think those who voted Green would have automatically voted Conservative?

Sorry, I meant that the Green saps votes from the NDP. I realize now it looks like I was talking about the cons. I was trying to reference your thought about the NDP gaining seats from 2006 because of Lib and CPC screwing up. My point was that either party screwing up usually favour the other more then another party.

$1:

The Cons won another minority because of the Liberals screwup.

But guess which party has been continually gaining seats? The NDP.

If the Liberals and Cons keep up these silly games, they're going to blow it big time

The numbers were from the NDP though. I doubt anybody who would vote green would vote con.


You can't, just like nobody could predict those people voting for any other party if Green didn't exist. They could have voted NDP, Liberal, Bloc... or not vote at all.

Praxius Praxius:

You can't just quickly sum it up by saying the Conservatives would have gotten those votes and thus, tally the green votes in some manner that favors the Conservatives.

Hopefully I was able to clear it up. Generally speaking people shift their vote left or right by one party.

Green-NDP-Lib-CPC. Each party thus saps or gives up votes from its neighbours. Judging by the harsh criticism (even making me look tame) from some NDPers to the CPC (and vice-versa) I don't see a lot of voters jumping over the Libs.

$1:

There is a fair bit of variability but that usually just reflects whatever bit of good or bad press they got recently. Still trend wise they seem to top out just under 20%. The Libs have enough core support that there won't be a mass defection to the NDP unless Iggy runs on a platform of turning unwanted cats and dogs into a cheap food source for the poor.

Praxius Praxius:

Then he isn't set in reality if that's the case. A Coalition would probably work for the most part, of course a lot of Division between the nation and provinces will certainly occur at the hands of the Conservatives, with their typical cheap attack ads and flat out lies.

I'd really like to believe that but voter support for the coalition back in Jan/Feb didn't really reflect that. Perhaps it was the way it was attempted which is why I think any coalition should be proposed before an election so the voters can decide.

Praxius Praxius:

The Conservatives and Harper have proven that they'd rather put each province and individual against one another simply to gain and/or hold onto a few seats.

Their priorities are not for the nation and certainly not for the public.... they're out for themselves and nothing more.

No argument here. I must say I have rarely found an NDPer who I didn't find politically friendly and amicable to working for the good of Canada. Unforunately I see the exact opposite in cons though (although they think the same of me).

BTW, I liked the fly sig thingy.

[bootlegga]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

...it's really too close to tell and the percentage/seat advantage will depend on who fucks up the least during the campaign.

I agree that that is the next election in a nutshell.

[Praxius]

Fair enough DX, and I suppose I could bring back the bug....

[2Cdo]

DerbyX DerbyX:

No argument here. I must say I have rarely found an NDPer who I didn't find politically friendly and amicable to working for the good of Canada. Unforunately I see the exact opposite in cons though (although they think the same of me).

BTW, I liked the fly sig thingy.

You bold part is hilarious!

I seen a Liberal party under Chretein who snap-called an election barely 2 years into a MAJORITY government only because the Conservatives had a new leader. A brilliant waste of money only so Chretein could stroke his ego. Yeah, Libs are all about the good of Canada.

[ridenrain]

I just heard Lib-MP Ujjal Dosanjh on the radio trying to blame all this BC-Harmonized Sales Tax on Harper. There's no connection between the BC Libs and the federal Libs but he wouldn't even mention it for fear someone would get a nice voice bite out of it.
I guess they'll be blaming that tornado in Ontario on Harper too.

[DerbyX]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

DerbyX DerbyX:

No argument here. I must say I have rarely found an NDPer who I didn't find politically friendly and amicable to working for the good of Canada. Unforunately I see the exact opposite in cons though (although they think the same of me).

BTW, I liked the fly sig thingy.

You bold part is hilarious!

I seen a Liberal party under Chretein who snap-called an election barely 2 years into a MAJORITY government only because the Conservatives had a new leader. A brilliant waste of money only so Chretein could stroke his ego. Yeah, Libs are all about the good of Canada.

Well just to clarify I was talking about con supporters on this forum rather then political leaders. Despite all the NDP talk about Layton being far more above the politicking then any Lib or Con leader I find that he is just as willing to play the game at any cost as evidenced by his statements that he will vote down Harpers CPC even if he tables a 360 EI amendment. Although stalwarts like Rev_Blair claim thats simply because the NDP and CPC are fundementally at odds ideologically I deem it the same political BS they claim the Libs and Cons play constantly.

On this forum I have found the bulk of the NDP supporters much more open to a working agreement between the parties then any Con supporter who simply screams obscenities about the leaders of all the other parties.

[2Cdo]

DerbyX DerbyX:

2Cdo 2Cdo:

DerbyX DerbyX:

No argument here. I must say I have rarely found an NDPer who I didn't find politically friendly and amicable to working for the good of Canada. Unforunately I see the exact opposite in cons though (although they think the same of me).

BTW, I liked the fly sig thingy.

You bold part is hilarious!

I seen a Liberal party under Chretein who snap-called an election barely 2 years into a MAJORITY government only because the Conservatives had a new leader. A brilliant waste of money only so Chretein could stroke his ego. Yeah, Libs are all about the good of Canada.

Well just to clarify I was talking about con supporters on this forum rather then political leaders. Despite all the NDP talk about Layton being far more above the politicking then any Lib or Con leader I find that he is just as willing to play the game at any cost as evidenced by his statements that he will vote down Harpers CPC even if he tables a 360 EI amendment. Although stalwarts like Rev_Blair claim thats simply because the NDP and CPC are fundementally at odds ideologically I deem it the same political BS they claim the Libs and Cons play constantly.

On this forum I have found the bulk of the NDP supporters much more open to a working agreement between the parties then any Con supporter who simply screams obscenities about the leaders of all the other parties.

Okay. Your first paragraph was bang on about Jack. Anyone who says they will vote against something without knowing the contents is a jackass. Jack fits that to a T!

As for NDP supporters on this site, I find the majority of them will accept cooperation with anyone but the Conservatives, kinda like their leader.

As for Con supporters screaming obscenities about the other leaders could I take the time to introduce you to a fellow named Kenmore.

[2Cdo]

Just as an aside, I find that their is little difference between the Libs and Cons on paper other than the Libs elected a real loser as leader with Dion. I was on record as stating that the Conservatives would defeat a Dion led Liberal party but would have probably lost to an Ignatieff led party.

So far though I'm finding that Ignatieff has been only slightly better than Dion, maybe he's saving his best moves for an election campaign, only time will tell.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

So far though I'm finding that Ignatieff has been only slightly better than Dion, maybe he's saving his best moves for an election campaign, only time will tell.

Gonna be hard for him to try and beat signing books and buying lemonade from kids

[EyeBrock]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Just as an aside, I find that their is little difference between the Libs and Cons on paper other than the Libs elected a real loser as leader with Dion. I was on record as stating that the Conservatives would defeat a Dion led Liberal party but would have probably lost to an Ignatieff led party.

So far though I'm finding that Ignatieff has been only slightly better than Dion, maybe he's saving his best moves for an election campaign, only time will tell.

I think that's a fair assessment of the lie of the political land as of this time.

Iggy has moved the Libs right and Harper has moved the CPC left. There is little difference ideologically between these guys.

[Praxius]

ridenrain ridenrain:

I just heard Lib-MP Ujjal Dosanjh on the radio trying to blame all this BC-Harmonized Sales Tax on Harper. There's no connection between the BC Libs and the federal Libs but he wouldn't even mention it for fear someone would get a nice voice bite out of it.
I guess they'll be blaming that tornado in Ontario on Harper too.

It doesn't suprise me that another HST scam would come from the Liberals.... they're the one's who gave it to Nova Scotia ffs... promising all these things would drop in tax and make our lives oh so much better, while omitting to tell everybody that everything else that only had one tax was going up.

Harmonized Sales Tax is one giant mistake and I strongly suggest anybody facing it to not let it happen. It's just a bone tossed your way while they run off with the roast.

[Praxius]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Well just to clarify I was talking about con supporters on this forum rather then political leaders. Despite all the NDP talk about Layton being far more above the politicking then any Lib or Con leader I find that he is just as willing to play the game at any cost as evidenced by his statements that he will vote down Harpers CPC even if he tables a 360 EI amendment. Although stalwarts like Rev_Blair claim thats simply because the NDP and CPC are fundementally at odds ideologically I deem it the same political BS they claim the Libs and Cons play constantly.

On this forum I have found the bulk of the NDP supporters much more open to a working agreement between the parties then any Con supporter who simply screams obscenities about the leaders of all the other parties.

Agreed... if the Liberals and Conservatives would smartin the hell up and do their jobs, along with working along with the other parties, then I wouldn't have a problem.

The problem Layton is in, is everything I have seen about the party's approach and his own way of talking about things to the media and public is that they attempt to get down to the job at hand, even if people don't like them.... but when you have the other two major parties acting like children and flinging mud around.... it's a tad hard to not get involved.

And then if and when he or the NDP do get involved, everybody jumps all over their asses and points the fingers at their hypocracy..... all the while still excusing the other two major parties who have been around long enough they should know better and grow up, yet are almost always the two parties to create the crap we're all sick and tired of.

Yet they're tollerated for the most part.

It's like hating the player and not the game.

[Praxius]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

2Cdo 2Cdo:

So far though I'm finding that Ignatieff has been only slightly better than Dion, maybe he's saving his best moves for an election campaign, only time will tell.

Gonna be hard for him to try and beat signing books and buying lemonade from kids

I imagine Iggy could beat Dion at Hockey:

[EyeBrock]

Layton...the guy who supports Hamas and Hezbollah?

He's the new great Canadian hope?

There's a reason that the NDP get 8% of the national vote.