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PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 8:31 am
 


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Did you mean you want a finance minister that doesn't just do what the party in charge says?

As for somebody who tells the voters the truth about the numbers without bias or spin I think Harper has already appointed someone like that. The Parliamentary Budget Officer is doing just that much to Harpers chagrin.


I have long thought it would be best to wrestle control of the books away from the political spin, to a figure and office that is like the auditor general and Parliamentary Budget Officer combined.

The government tells this office what they want money spent on, and an impartial office representing the taxpayer, protects us from regionalism bribes, graft to friends of the government, and waste.

I'll be honest, it was the Jane Stewart HRDC days that inspired this idea.

Imagine if politicos were accountable BEFORE they waste the money, instead of us seeing an Auditor General's report, AFTER the fact.


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Sure but what guarantee do we have that a separately elected finance minister would be any better?


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I wouldn't necessarily elect him or her, a board consisting of the governing bodies of the Chartered Accountants of Canada and Certified General Accountants could source candidates and subject them to Senate & Parliamentary compromise.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 8:44 am
 


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I wouldn't necessarily elect him or her, a board consisting of the governing bodies of the Chartered Accountants of Canada and Certified General Accountants could source candidates and subject them to Senate & Parliamentary compromise.


Well its not a bad idea but just like any discussion over elections reform everybody sees the negatives only in what they want to replace and only the positives in what they want to replace it with.

Reality is something else.


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Woof.


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I didn't realize the government was the one who issued all those bad mortgages and debts around the world.


Um...they encouraged it with all these Edit: Forgot to finish...heheh.

different Community Reinvestment Act and other sorts of garbage.


If it was the government's fault, why did Canada not have a subprime fiasco? Oh yeah, we had a stronger regulatory regime which basically prevented it. Same with all sorts of other problems with toxic debt, mega-mergers of banks and all the rest.

Your own argument actually proves my point that a more government involvement was a good thing, as it prevented a lot of problems that Dubya and Co (both the Dems and GOP) allowed to happen to allow the economy to "boom".

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Or that they forced GM, Chrysler and Ford to make SUVs and pick-ups instead of smaller, more efficient cars.


Brilliant plan. Produce stuff North Americans didn't want until a sudden increase in gas prices. The reason why the Japanese had all these small cars ready was because their main market, aka Japan, basically could only support small cars due to the high density construction of their cities.

Why do you think just before the whole gas price increases, Toyota and other Japanese car companies were releasing SUVs and pickup trucks.


Of course they did. It always makes sense to alter your product for foreign markets. Any idea why two litres bottles of Coke don't sell well in Japan? Most have small fridges that can't hold them (like the bar fridge many kids have in their dorm). Same goes for Japanese automakers who hear criticism of their product not having enough power or payload or space or whatever.

The big difference is that unlike the Big Three, the Japanese companies weren't totally dependent on SUVs and pick-ups for profitability. When that market collapsed, they had something to fall back on, the Big Three didn't.

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It was corporate greed and weak regulatory systems that caused this crisis, not the government.


How about it's all of their fault? What's with this whole one or the other thing? The US not regulating its own "government corporations" aka Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, as well as encouraging private banks to give out loans to those who really couldn't afford it, on top of corporate stupidity?
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Once again, compare them to their Canadian equivalent. Ours are better regulated and restricted, which prevented a massive subprime crisis like they had in the US.

The US government (and that's everyone, not just Dubya) is partly to blame as well, but it was corporations that ultimately lent out hundreds of billions in mortgages to those who couldn't afford them.

Why is it that many conservatives get offended when a criminal offloads responsibility on society for his wrongdoing, but has no problem with corporations doing that?


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So what're those alternatives you hold in such high esteem?


Organizations of any sort where the owners and operators have liability for the actions of their organizations. The corporation is a form of business ownership that owes no such responsibility to the people they may harm.

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What level of government's going to be in deficit until 2019-20? Is it really not clear to you what level has been the source of comment right from the OP? In case it isn't, it's the Federal government that's being spoken of


It's not clear to me because you were talking about Mike Harris.


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So what're those alternatives you hold in such high esteem?


Organizations of any sort where the owners and operators have liability for the actions of their organizations. The corporation is a form of business ownership that owes no such responsibility to the people they may harm.


Great, so the only outfits you trust are mom-and-pop grocery stores. Do you have a clue how unsupportable a financial growth model that has been since the end of the 19th century?

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What level of government's going to be in deficit until 2019-20? Is it really not clear to you what level has been the source of comment right from the OP? In case it isn't, it's the Federal government that's being spoken of


It's not clear to me because you were talking about Mike Harris.


I was talking about the Harris retreads. You know...Flaherty, Baird, Clement? Geddit now?


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Great, so the only outfits you trust are mom-and-pop grocery stores. Do you have a clue how unsupportable a financial growth model that has been since the end of the 19th century?


Again, you're attempting to put words in my mouth. Build your strawman elsewhere. I don't believe in "the corporation" as a moral entity. It should not be allowed to exist.

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I was talking about the Harris retreads. You know...Flaherty, Baird, Clement? Geddit now?


So what about them? I've never been anything but critical of any of 'em...so what's your beef?


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