[TattoodGirl]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Good, then we are on the same page. Give me a hug!

Hug given....my monitor isnt very comfortable to hug. I will pass you some home made Irish Cream on the rocks as well

[Scape]

What of legit claims?

Visa rules block genuine claims

$1:

He described a Roma woman who came to Canada; she had had two swastikas carved into her chest by skinheads. "If that isn't convincing enough, I don't know what is."

[dino_bobba_renno]

TattoodGirl TattoodGirl:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Good, then we are on the same page. Give me a hug!

Hug given....my monitor isnt very comfortable to hug. I will pass you some home made Irish Cream on the rocks as well

You're monitor is probably the happiest monitors I know, too bad you don't have a one of those built in web cams

Anyways, it doesn't matter how we deal with it. At the end of the day the EU critisizing Canada comes down to nothing more than the EU shifting responcibility and blame onto Canada for a problem that is their own. If there is discimination or not you can bet there won't be many EU states jumping up and saying that they will take the refugees. We all know they don't want them so instead they want to put pressure onto Canada to take them. The visa thing is just one way for Canada to publicly say "hey, fix your own mess"

[EyeBrock]

Scape, there are plenty of nearby European countries to deal with European racism.
Why should we in Canada deal with this? Europe is not a Third World continent. Leave this to the EU.

[Brenda]

$1:

EU states

EU COUNTRIES!! It's not the US!

[dino_bobba_renno]

Brenda Brenda:

$1:

EU states

EU COUNTRIES!! It's not the US!

Ahh you know what I mean

[Brenda]

TattoodGirl TattoodGirl:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Tattood, we in Canada are so open and easy for this bogus refugees. There are whole industries that 'sell' places to asylum seekers.
Canada needs to wake up because all we get from these bogus refugee claimants are other countries criminals. Who else can afford to pay these people traffickers?

Ya I know that...read above. I have worked with REAL refugees...I know the difference, I still do work with families that have fled the camps in places such as Africa and Cambodia. Coming from the EU isnt what I would consider a refugee. I was asking because I have seen plenty of discrimination against REAL refugees on this forum so I was looking for a reason as to why someone wouldnt want them. I have a right to ask.

Which is exactly my point. Roma's aren't refugees. They are nomads that won't addapt, and claim they have the right to do so. They have all the EU to camp in with their old trailers, stealing their way around, and living off of welfare. They choose to live like that, and they will do it here too.

Real refugees deserve all the help they can get, and soon. They should not have to wait in line till finally, the bogus applications are dealt with.

[Scape]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Scape, there are plenty of nearby European countries to deal with European racism.
Why should we in Canada deal with this? Europe is not a Third World continent. Leave this to the EU.

I think the visa requirement is fine given the circumstances. My concern however is this 'exception' undermines definition of a legitimate refugee. It's a valid judgment call but it can become a slippery slope and it also makes the whole process on real claims that much more scrutinized as there will be legitimate claims in Czech Republic but will be screened out effectively on ethnic grounds. If we quantify them comparing the exact same claims from other countries that do get approval then that reveals a bias that ultimately strikes at the root of all legitimate refuges claims. Bottom line: the measure that Canada has been forced to take here are appropriate but this action shouldn't guide the overall policy in whatever form that takes.

[martin14]

Sorry Scape, I completely disagree.

There are no legitimate claims from the Czech Republic.
That country is now a member of the European Union, not some buttfuck banana republic. Has been for 5 years now.
The Czechs are also entitled to a visa free regime, like the other EU countries.
With that benefit, comes the acceptance of no refugee claims.

Do we accept refugee claims from the US ? Britain ? France ?
I sincerely hope not.

Is there discrimination in the Czech Republic ? Yup.
Slovakia, Poland Hungary, Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia, Romania, Belarus, Ukraine as well. All have significant gypsy populations.
Does it come from the government ? No.
As such, these people do not qualify as being persecuted.

It is simply, as usual, our own idiots in Ottawa who are too stupid to realize this,
and greedy people who seek to profit from the system.

It all needs to stop.

[Thanos]

Canada shouldn't be liable for a crime problem the Europeans don't want to deal with themselves. We're not the ones with neo-Nazi mobs running around attacking minorities and we have the sovereign right not to be used by people who look at us for their own easy way out.

[Scape]

martin14 martin14:

There are no legitimate claims from the Czech Republic.

Faq

$1:

A refugee is a person who fears persecution if they go back to their country of nationality. Fear of persecution usually means a serious chance of physical harm or detention or some other form of cruel and unusual punishment. In some cases discrimination or harassment could be considered serious enough to amount to persecution.

Members of minority religious groups or ethnic minorities who fear persecution from the general population or non-governmental organizations where the police are unable or unwilling to protect them.

That is the definition. The issue isn't the country, it's what constitutes persecution. The gypsies are 2nd class citizens that are being denied access to education and jobs based on ethnicity. This breeds corruption and lawlessness, ruins and economy and the people look for scape goats. That's just the reality and no magic EU wand is going to dispel that nor is it Canada's function to bail out that situation but the policy of refugee status itself is designed on a case by case basis not an ethnic basis and there will be successful claims from that country even with the visa requirement because they meet the definition. All we have done here is made it so legitimate claims have just one more hurdle to cross and so most will be unable to do it thus defeating the very purpose of the refugee process itself.

That is my point here is that they system wasn't designed with this sort of quick fix. This is a band-aid and what they are talking about now is setting up an asylum system that accepts or rejects refugees quickly so the system itself doesn't get overloaded with a backlog.

We can take people in but they need to be properly processed and when you flood the system it slows all the claims down and this creates a feedback loop that makes even more claims and compounds the problem. We currently have no system in place for fast tracking claims where immigration officials can make front line judgment calls on clear cases from countries that do not have such concerns. As it stands now that decision rests with a tribunal and that can take months. This can only be done on a case by case basis that draws the workload of entire departments that are already overloaded and deliberately understaffed.

[martin14]

That definition is way too broad and open-ended.

Anyone can use it, anywhere, anytime.

Gypsies are not being denied access to education, or jobs for that matter.
This is simply false.

I know, I live over here, remember ?
They are plenty of programs and schools that accomodate, and when
possible, integrate Roma students.

The problems start when the parents refuse to send the child to school,
or the kid shows up tired, hungry and beaten.
Not in the best shape to learn something.

And of course following on later,
they cannot accept any job that requires even a basic education.
So they sit on social assistance, pick up what money they can, and continue
the cycle for the next generation.


And your last point I agree with
front line judgements should be possible from selected countries.
Hopefully that change can be made soon, cause the visa bit
will not be positive.

[Praxius]

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

...Anyways, it doesn't matter how we deal with it. At the end of the day the EU critisizing Canada comes down to nothing more than the EU shifting responcibility and blame onto Canada for a problem that is their own. If there is discimination or not you can bet there won't be many EU states jumping up and saying that they will take the refugees. We all know they don't want them so instead they want to put pressure onto Canada to take them. The visa thing is just one way for Canada to publicly say "hey, fix your own mess"

Indeed. The EU's government is such a damn push over it's not even funny. They defend all the wrong and ignorant people and put the onus on us.

Just to bring up the seal industry again, whether or not someone supports it, the EU based their ban on ignorant assumptions, claims and pressure from Animal rights groups like PETA who's only argument is limited footage of people harassing sealers on their jobs and whom are breaking the rules of the hunt by getting so close. They use emotional appeal and because they claim it's an inhumane hunt because of the Hakapiks and spin it whatever they wish, the EU folded and accepted the ban.... all the while not even looking at the reality of the issues that affect those in this area of the country.

In fact, the seals get more protection, more regulations and more humane kills then most animals hunted or even those in slaughter houses.

I also find it pretty damn funny that the EU would be the ones to harp on about being environmentally friendly and care for the animals, when wasn't it SPAIN who illegally cleaned out our fishery in the Atlantic in the 90's after they sucked dry their own fishery and had very little to no regulations to substain their own environment?

Hypocrites I say.

Same with this crap about the visa. Such a big stink because they think anybody should be able to apply and get our refugee acceptance, when there is no claims of torture, death, ethnic cleansing or otherwise in that nation.

People over there are treated like crap due to people in the EU's own prejudice and yet again.... somehow it's our fault?



Everybody sing along! BLAME CANADA.... BLAME CANADA......

Who cares what we did or why we did it... it's all our fault no matter what.

I think it's time maybe Canada gives the world a real reason to hate us.... let's invade Sweeden.

[bootlegga]

Brenda Brenda:

$1:

EU states

EU COUNTRIES!! It's not the US!

You can say EU states, as in EU nation states.

Canada is a state, so is the US, Uganda, Brazil, etc.

[Proculation]

EU in french are the USA (Etats-Unis)