[Tman1]

ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny:

Can some one say Thin skinned?

just have one thing to say YOUR POLITICIANS AND RICH FOLK USE OUR HEALTH CARE WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU!!!!!!

You multi- millionares care about a couple of hundred thousand to fix their maladies?

Like who?

[Tman1]

Chagrin Chagrin:

Yes, Scape, we get it. You're so much better than us.

Just like MD and his over the top passionate arguments that you ignore.

[llama66]

ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny:

llama66 llama66:

$975 a month? wow! I pay nothing and I get just the same services. what you pay is not proportional to what you get,.

You might pay more a month for your "free health care" but you cant know this cause the goverment does not tell you how much of the taxes you pay per month goes towards healthcare.

Lets say you are single you make $60,000 a year in Canada and lets say you pay 20,000 in income tax which is about right may a little low. and 20% percent of that goes to "free healthcare" that $4000 a year thats $333 dollars a month. So no its not good!

Or maybe you are happy making peanuts pay very little in taxes and it does work out for you. So then you are a leach off the sweat of others!

Thats fine, stay with your broken piece of shit system, stay with the stem that forces families to re-mortgage their houses because they can't afford medical insurance, stay with the system that dumps the poor and destitute because they are poor and destitute and can't afford proper health care, I'd rather pay for health care and know I can go to the hospital anytime and know I wont have to worry than live in a nation that taxes its citizens and doesn't give a shit whether is citizens live or die. I'm happy that in Canada all citizens have access to health care. perhaps the its time you realized the USA is not as great as y'all make it out to be, in fact I'd rather live in Russia than the USA, at least there they take care of their citizens.

[travior]

I am an American, my wife is Canadian; therefore I have a pretty good understanding of the way both systems work. The primary problem with the Canadian system is actually a result of the American system. Too many of Canada's talented doctors have come to the US to make more money because we have the "Charge 'em 'til they are flat-broke" system in place. If we adopt the Canadian way of things, the Canadian situation would improve as fewer docs will be tempted to travel South for more money.

That being said: The flaw in Obama's plan is his dillusional idea that companies with private healthcare plans will continue to keep those plans if the government offers their own plan. Once the government plan is in place private companies will slash their private plans to save money. If he was to put a clause in the law saying that if companies cut their plans that they would be forced to pay the same amount into the government plan so there would be no incentive for them to slash their plans, it might work. Otherwise, the tax payers are going to be crushed even more.

I SO cannot wait until we can move to Canada!

[Brenda]

ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny:

Can some one say Thin skinned?

just have one thing to say YOUR POLITICIANS AND RICH FOLK USE OUR HEALTH CARE WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU!!!!!!

You multi- millionares care about a couple of hundred thousand to fix their maladies?

What it tells me, is that they get their non-life threatening things done and are willing to pay for it, but not willing to wait. There is nothing wrong with that. It happens everywhere, even in Europe. In Holland, you go to Germany or Belgium when you can get your treatment for your ankle sooner. And you know what? It's often paid for too.

Life-threatening situations though, no one has to wait, and no one has to pay. No one dies because of a money issue, no one is kicked out of their houses because of an illness they cannot afford to have treated.

Rich people go everywhere to have their tummies tucked anyway...

[PrimeDirective]

My issue with health care is that in Canada it forbids a privately administered system from taking place or at least provinces would face repercussions for doing so. If someone wants to open a hospital and charge people to use their services then why should they not be allowed too? It would make it more competitive and hospitals would have to compete and deliver the best services for consumers in order to gain their business. Also having privately funded healthcare services would also alleviate the public system and could possibly increase its performance as well.

[Brenda]

It could go well together, and I think that is the road to go, for either the US and Canada.
But, the government funded healthcare for us normal people, should not slack, and should be the main healthcare to be focussed on. Private healthcare should be monitored, but not take over in quality. That means you should set a ceiling for what can be paid to doctors in private healthcare.

[PrimeDirective]

I'm not sure if id be in favour of a salary cap to doctors. That opens a can of worms letting the government control private businesses wages. But I suppose they already do with a minimum wage so maybe a maximum wage is the next step?

[Brenda]

PrimeDirective PrimeDirective:

I'm not sure if id be in favour of a salary cap to doctors. That opens a can of worms letting the government control private businesses wages. But I suppose they already do with a minimum wage so maybe a maximum wage is the next step?

If you don't want the doctors taken away from the government funded hospitals (thus paid less) to private healthcare, you have to. It's what happened in Canada, the money-driven doctors went to the US because they can make more...

[PrimeDirective]

Brenda Brenda:

]If you don't want the doctors taken away from the government funded hospitals (thus paid less) to private healthcare, you have to. It's what happened in Canada, the money-driven doctors went to the US because they can make more...

You make it sound like the doctors are bad for wanting to earn more for themselves and provide a better life for their families?

Also if a private run hospital manages to pay better wages and deliver better services for you then I fail to see why that success should be hindered?

[ManifestDestiny]

llama66 llama66:

perhaps the its time you realized the USA is not as great as y'all make it out to be, in fact I'd rather live in Russia than the USA, at least there they take care of their citizens.

WOW your real smart Your hatred for the USA makes you a very ignorant person

Poor people in the usa are covered by Medicare just so you know this we dont let them die on the street. if they are to high on crack to care is not my problem.

[ManifestDestiny]

Tman1 Tman1:

ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny:

Can some one say Thin skinned?

just have one thing to say YOUR POLITICIANS AND RICH FOLK USE OUR HEALTH CARE WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU!!!!!!

You multi- millionares care about a couple of hundred thousand to fix their maladies?

Like who?

I qouted it earlier in the thread!

[ManifestDestiny]

But just for the heck of it.

According to a September 14, 2007, article from CTV News, Canadian Liberal MP Belinda Stronach went to the United States for breast cancer surgery in June 2007. Stronach's spokesperson Greg MacEachern was quoted in the article saying that the US was the best place to have this type of surgery done. Stronach paid for the surgery out of her own pocket. Prior to this incident, Stronach had stated in an interview that she was against two-tiered health care. Can you say Hypocrtie!!!!
When Robert Bourassa, the premier of Quebec, needed cancer treatment, he went to the US to get it.
In 2007, it was reported that Canada sent scores of pregnant women to the US to give birth. In 2007 a woman from Calgary who was pregnant with quadruplets was sent to Great Falls, Montana to give birth. An article on this incident states, "There was no room at any other Canadian neonatal intensive care unit."
Champion figure skater Audrey Williams needed a hip replacement. Even though she waited two years and suffered in pain, she still did not get the surgery, because the waiting list was so long. So she went to the US and spent her own money to get the surgery.
A January 19, 2008, article in The Globe And Mail states, "More than 150 critically ill Canadians – many with life-threatening cerebral hemorrhages – have been rushed to the United States since the spring of 2006 because they could not obtain intensive-care beds here. Before patients with bleeding in or outside the brain have been whisked through U.S. operating-room doors, some have languished for as long as eight hours in Canadian emergency wards while health-care workers scrambled to locate care."

[Brenda]

PrimeDirective PrimeDirective:

Brenda Brenda:

]If you don't want the doctors taken away from the government funded hospitals (thus paid less) to private healthcare, you have to. It's what happened in Canada, the money-driven doctors went to the US because they can make more...

You make it sound like the doctors are bad for wanting to earn more for themselves and provide a better life for their families?

Also if a private run hospital manages to pay better wages and deliver better services for you then I fail to see why that success should be hindered?

Because what happens if you don't monitor it, is that the government funded hospitals will become "hospitals for the poor, with shitty doctors and bad care", which will make the lower and middle class incomes worse off.

So, what I think you should do, is make sure you don't get competition in care, (like ER, family docs, cancer treatment, major surgery, transplants, dialysis, that kind of stuff) but you could have private clinics for tummy tucks, facelifts, boobjobs, the estetic shit people could pay for, but is not necessary to survive.

I think it is unethical if you, as a country, can have rich people pay for their new heart, while the poor die because they can't afford it. THAT is what you should prevent.

[Elvis]

PrimeDirective PrimeDirective:

My issue with health care is that in Canada it forbids a privately administered system from taking place or at least provinces would face repercussions for doing so. If someone wants to open a hospital and charge people to use their services then why should they not be allowed too? It would make it more competitive and hospitals would have to compete and deliver the best services for consumers in order to gain their business. Also having privately funded healthcare services would also alleviate the public system and could possibly increase its performance as well.

Sorry Prime Directive but that's a myth's the only thing that a parallel private system does for the public system is to suck the best doctor from the public system. And the net effect is longer wait time for everybody in the public system!!! So no private system in Canada for me.