[Brenda]

Choban Choban:

It's not a leagal requirement when dealing with people who are supposed to be responsable adults that have some degree of common sence. The only time written consent is required for a tat is when it's a minor with parental permission.

I didn't have to sign a consent when I got mine 15 years ago, but what I see at for instance LA Ink, is that the customers DO sign...

[Choban]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Choban Choban:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Actually passing out and/or zoning out is not uncommon. A friend got a tattoo and thats just what happened to him. This girls story does have a ring of truth about it.

A good artist that runs his shop with a degree of morality would stop working on a customer that has passed out or even fell asleep.
No artist that doesn't want to ruin his livelyhood would intentionally use these circumstances to go overboard on a customer.
No to mention that you usually (at the shops I frequent)get an estimate of what the work would cost so there would have to be some aggreed on # of stars she wanted.

Except that they are often in a trance like state and only pass out after.

I had no idea that the tattoo business was populated entirely reputable and honest businessman? Lucky them!

No it certainly is not, but those who do shoddy work or don't honor their customers wishes usually don't last long in the biz, There is like you said a ring of truth to her story but flip side there is also a ring of truth to the artists side as well, and plus look at the man, if he can't do tats for a living he's screwed so I personally can't see him risking his livelyhood. And once again, there is usually an agreed on estimate.

[DerbyX]

Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:

Derby, the fact that you're arguing topics from other unrelated threads with me is an indication that you're just looking for anything to argue about at this point.

If you want to rest your case on the fact that she was "woozy" or in some sort of trance and everyone else is lying, have at it, but you're not convincing anyone else.

Just pointing out that complaining about other people arguing over one thing was useless when thats what we are doing her was to me hypocritical.

As for trying to convince you or anyone else. Seems to me thats what you are trying to do. Its obvious you have no experience with tattoos and are guessing. Its obvious that you are being overly judgmental by assuming she is lying which you then tried to claim I was by insinuating he was lying.

I'm simply arguing that a mistake is a viable event in my opinion. You seem to be getting annoyed that I won't simply throw my hands in the air and agree with you.

You have no proof she is lying anymore then I can prove she isn't. I simply maintain I don't think she got home and after her father and BF freaked out decided to cop out by claiming what she is claiming.

[DerbyX]

Choban Choban:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Toumanaintz said from now on he will get written consent from clients before he begins tattooing.

Poses the question as to why he didn't before? Seems the smart thing for a tattoo professional to do.

It's not a leagal requirement when dealing with people who are supposed to be responsable adults that have some degree of common sence. The only time written consent is required for a tat is when it's a minor with parental permission.

I gather the rules vary from country to country. They vary greatly from state to state. I'd suspect that Belgium has some sort of rules and regulations such as the client must be sober.

From the article it seems likely that written permission is not required but it seems that a professional would do such a thing anyway. It makes good business sense.

[Choban]

Brenda Brenda:

Choban Choban:

It's not a leagal requirement when dealing with people who are supposed to be responsable adults that have some degree of common sence. The only time written consent is required for a tat is when it's a minor with parental permission.

I didn't have to sign a consent when I got mine 15 years ago, but what I see at for instance LA Ink, is that the customers DO sign...

LA ink is a commercialized gong show that requires their customers to sign I'm sure they sign due to the leagal ramifications of putting this show on tv. I have NEVER had to sign a consent for any of my tats. BUT it probably comes down to legislation in whatever state/country your in.

[DerbyX]

Choban Choban:

No it certainly is not, but those who do shoddy work or don't honor their customers wishes usually don't last long in the biz, There is like you said a ring of truth to her story but flip side there is also a ring of truth to the artists side as well, and plus look at the man, if he can't do tats for a living he's screwed so I personally can't see him risking his livelyhood. And once again, there is usually an agreed on estimate.

Sure it does. I'm not blaming him either. It stands to reason that he would maintain she asked for 56 if he honestly made a mistake thinking she did. Thats what a miscommunication is right? She thought she was saying 3 and he thought she was saying 56.

I think he is being quite fair offering half the cost of removal.

[Brenda]

DerbyX DerbyX:

I think he is being quite fair offering half the cost of removal.

So do I

[Choban]

Agreed Derb, he was being very fair and professional in his offer to help remove them. Yet another reason I think she's the one at fault here, but I wasn't there so I can't say for sure.
I'm just glad that all my tats turned out exactly hwo I wanted them to.
I don't go for frivolous BS tats that are trendy or "Cool" either, All of mine have meaning specifically to me, they tell a story of sorts and that is how I like it.
I hate trendy tats, especially the barb wire (stands for pow's) or all these G wannabe's that get tear drops and crap like that.
I also hate all those people that go way overboard (like our artist friend for this article) It doesn't look good.

[DerbyX]

All things in moderation, except beer.

[Brenda]

Choban Choban:

Agreed Derb, he was being very fair and professional in his offer to help remove them. Yet another reason I think she's the one at fault here, but I wasn't there so I can't say for sure.
I'm just glad that all my tats turned out exactly hwo I wanted them to.
I don't go for frivolous BS tats that are trendy or "Cool" either, All of mine have meaning specifically to me, they tell a story of sorts and that is how I like it.
I hate trendy tats, especially the barb wire (stands for pow's) or all these G wannabe's that get tear drops and crap like that.
I also hate all those people that go way overboard (like our artist friend for this article) It doesn't look good.

To each his own, but that is exactly the reason why I don't have more. No story to tell, so no tat. The moment I have another story, it will be told on my body somewhere...

[DerbyX]

When I have a story to tell I use interpretive dance.

[Choban]

Exactly Brenda, I have 3 right now and more to come.
1 is frivolous, a spider on my forearm I got when I was 17 cause I could.
I have a lion on my left bicep with my initials and my son's initials (we are both leos)
I have a longsword down my spine with my family's motto in latin on the blade
I am getting a symbol designed by me to celebrate my 6th anniversary (it's a combo of my wifes initials with mine.) She's getting it too once the baby is born
And when my daughter is born in September I'm gonna design one for her.

[raydan]

DerbyX DerbyX:

When I have a story to tell I use interpretive dance.

Mime for me.

[Bodah]

Choban Choban:

Exactly Brenda, I have 3 right now and more to come.
1 is frivolous, a spider on my forearm I got when I was 17 cause I could.
I have a lion on my left bicep with my initials and my son's initials (we are both leos)
I have a longsword down my spine with my family's motto in latin on the blade
I am getting a symbol designed by me to celebrate my 6th anniversary (it's a combo of my wifes initials with mine.) She's getting it too once the baby is born
And when my daughter is born in September I'm gonna design one for her.

I love tats, I'm working on my second one.

[Bodah]

Choban Choban:

Bodah Bodah:

Check out this dude from Montreal
I bring you zombie boy

I wonder if he is employed?

Here's a photo gallery of him

Here's the interview with him. Apparently he ain't done yet...

$1:

Rick is turning himself into a zombie. So far, more than 24 hours of tattoos – costing over £4,075 Canadian – have got him halfway there and made him a minor celebrity on the internet, where people can’t decide if he’s a body modification visionary or mentally ill sicko.

We caught up with Rick for an exclusive interview and photoshoot to see what life is like when you’re transforming yourself into the living dead.

What look are you trying to achieve with your tattoos?
They’re about the human body as a decomposing corpse – the art of a rotting cadaver. It’s also a tribute to horror movies, which I love.


What influenced your tattoos?
When I was a kid I was a big fan of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, and I wanted to be a ninja turtle and live in the sewers. But as I got older I fell in love with zombies and wanted to become one. Oh, and I love George A Romero’s Living Dead movies.

Anyway, the closest thing I could get to becoming a zombie was to get tattooed like one. I see my tattoos as celebrating the art of obscenity and the macabre.


When did you decide you wanted to get your face and body tattooed?
I thought long and hard about what I really wanted, what my passion was. And I decided I wanted to be a fucking zombie. My first big move was getting my hands outlined as skeleton print. They say that once you get your hands tattooed it’s harder to find a job.

How do you feel about your tattoos now?
They’ve been a part of me forever – before I even got them done. They reveal how I feel on the inside. I’m so used to how I look now that I don’t see them anymore. It’s like if you met someone with purple hair – after ten minutes you’d think, “Oh yeah, they have purple hair. So what?”


But it does look a little different to how I’d imagined. I expected some portions of my tattoos to look more bloody and gory. Probably because I’ve got an overactive imagination and I’d never be satisfied with the results.

What would you have changed?
I’d have a lot more blood in general, dripping and oozing everywhere. I’d have loved to have blood pouring out of my eyes and a few more bugs here and there. But it just didn’t happen like that.

What do your friends think?
My friends think it’s cool. It’s punk rock, you know?

How about your mum?
Well, I don’t think this is what my mother had in mind for me. When I got my hands done it broke her heart. She said, “You’ve got your hands tattooed like a skeleton! You’re never going to get a decent job!” But once she saw I was determined about it she was like, “If that’s what you want to do, make sure you go all the way. Don’t just start it and then change your mind. If you’re going to be sure enough to tattoo your fucking face like that, then you’ve got to be sure enough to do the whole fucking thing.”

So she’s behind you now?
Yeah. At first, when it didn’t have the shading or anything, she was like, “You look like crap. You’re going to be a punk your whole life.” But now it’s starting to take shape and become more like an art piece, she gets it.

How do people react to your tattoos?
There’s all sorts of weird shit here in Montreal, so I kind of blend in with the culture. Some people come up to me and say, “Wow, nice tattoos.” Sometimes you get a smart-ass kid who yells “Hey, it’s Halloween!” Just about every day I get some kind of skeleton joke. The classic is “Why didn’t the skeleton cross the road? Because he didn’t have the guts.”

Do you worry about how you’re going to look when you’re older?
No, fuck it. Everybody ages – me too. Are you worried about what you’re going to look like when you’re 60? It’s just life – tattoos turn green. I joke that once the body suit’s done they’ll be so faded I’ll have to start again at the beginning.

So what other body modifications are you planning?
I still want to get my brain shaded in. I want to get it all nice and grey like hamburger meat. And then I want to get Frankenstein bolts sticking out of my head around the rim of where my scalp’s ‘cut off’.

And I’ve thought about getting my eyes blacked in. I’m thinking that in five years from now, if no one’s gone blind from it by then I’ll go and get my eyes tattooed black, so there’d just be big holes in my face.

As for tattoos, I’ve still got to get under my arms done, then I’ve got to finish the intestines and get a contour added to the demon on my chest. I’m going to get bones sticking out of my knees, my toes done in skeleton print, and have patches of muscle scattered around – with worms coming out of the wounds.

Have you ever thought about having the tip of your nose removed?
Yes, and I’ve seen it before on TV. This guy had a flesh-eating disease and he was able to get his nose cut off because they gave him a prosthetic replacement. I was so jealous. I wanted it so bad. If I get my eyes blacked in I’ll get my nose removed.

Would you have your ears removed?
Maybe just the one. I was thinking of having worms coming out of one ear and a spider’s web in the other. But I’m an extremist, so if I met someone who could remove my ear and get the right result, then that’d be cool as hell. If I saw someone walking around like that I’d shit myself.

Would you burn yourself with acid to get texture on your skin?
I don’t know. I’m not a pro. But it has nothing to do with pain. I like pushing the limits to see how much I can take. I’d get my tongue split, I’d get my teeth sharpened.

I wouldn’t cut off one of my fingers, because I want to play guitar. I’m not going to cut off my arms and legs to look cool. But there are no rules about how zombies look. My buddy has a tattoo where his throat’s slit and bugs are coming out with worms up the side. It looks fucking awesome.

What advice do you have for people who want the same kind of tattoos?
They’re fucking stupid and should get their own idea. You’ve got to be original. I hate copycats and idiots. But I’m up for the idea of more living deads. I think a whole crew of people who had their face tattooed as a skull would be awesome.

But you can’t rip off someone else’s personality. And I don’t want kids to go out there and ruin their lives because they think it’s cool – it’s got to be in you. You’ve got to know what you want. I sacrificed my whole future for this.

What effect has it had on your love life?
There are girls who dig it, but the kind of girls who dig it are usually trouble. Some people might look at you and think you’re mentally ill. They might do, but I’m not. I think I’m very on the ball.

There are a lot of people I meet who just don’t understand, but there really is nothing to understand. I’m realistic, sane and intelligent.

Is there any kind of body modification you wouldn’t have?
Cock-splitting. I’ve seen pictures of that and it’s not for me. But I’d tattoo my cock. I’m thinking of having reptile scales and cockroaches.

I’ve had different ideas that aren’t relevant to my body suit. One was quite sacrilegious. I thought about having my cock tattooed like a Cyclops Jesus ding-dong. There would be a crown of thorns around it, an eyeball and some scales. And there’d be a crucifix in the background, so my cock would be like Jesus on the cross. But in the end it just sounded completely wrong.

Do you think your life would be better or worse if you hadn’t had your tattoos done?
Actually, since having them done I’ve become a much happier and nicer person. Before, I hated pretty much everything and everybody. I just wanted to pass out in the gutter and swear at cars as they went by, shit like that. I wasn’t a happy person at all.

That’s why I got the skull tattooed on my face in the first place, I suppose – I wanted to fucking kill everybody. But then, as time went on, I started getting all this positive feedback – people would come up to me and say how cool they thought it looked. I started getting invited to parties and bars all the time. Strangers ask to have pictures taken with me.

I’ve been having so much fun with it that life has definitely changed for the better. I honestly wouldn’t change a thing... not that I have much choice in the matter.

How do you sum up your philosophy of life?
You’ve got to respect that everyone’s different and has to do what they’ve got to do. I can’t tell you what to do, you can’t tell me what to do – but we can still get along just great.