[poquas]

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Allowing Fiat to take over Chrysler is allowing Italy and the EU to bend the air of politicians in Washington and Ottawa... At present it appears the USA and to a lesser extent Canada are at odds with Europe over many hot topics (seal hunt, global warming, Kyoto, Iraq, war on terror) and I for one think it would be unwise to have issues that affect our sovereignty being influenced by them...

The bulk of the automotive sector (both ownership and manufacturing) must be un North American control and not Italy, Germany, Japan, China, India or ????

You're right Stemmer.

To hell with Fiat. Let's just shut Chrysler and GM down and forget it.

As for our sovereignty, can we get rid of the queen now?

[Mustang1]

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Mustang1 Mustang1:

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I think I would prefer bankruptcy over any of the Big Three being being made a lackey of some foreign corporation....

Like Chrysler was of Daimler. At what point do you simply give up?

I am aware of that.

At one time Chrysler owned Lamborghini...

Really? Then why make such inane comments? Oh...and did you bitch about Italian sovereignty too? I doubt it.

[stemmer]

Please go back and re-read my comments. I've articulated my rationale and concerns in this thread and I see no sense in repeating them...

Cheers

[Mustang1]

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Please go back and re-read my comments. I've articulated my rationale and concerns in this thread and I see no sense in repeating them...

Cheers

Yeah, with enlightening comments like,

$1:

Can you imagine the salaries of North American workers being decided by an Italian company.... This is revoltin'...!!!!!

I'd say your rationale has fallen on deaf ears. I guess if you want to dictate to foreign companies how they can conduct themselves in business matters, but hypocritically ignore it when its on American hands, then you're right, there is no sense in you continuing.

[stemmer]

And where exactly have I ever said that...!!!

Or is it merely your interpretation of what you think I'm saying????

Please either post a reference or stop from putting words into my mouth...

Either is fine with me. Just do it...

[Mustang1]

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And where exactly have I ever said that...!!!

Or is it merely your interpretation of what you think I'm saying????

Please either post a reference or stop from putting words into my mouth...

Either is fine with me. Just do it...

Huh? Sorry, i'm not fluent in whatthefrickese. What about here? current-events-f59/fiat-to-chrysler-cut-costs-or-we-walk-t74189.html

Are you actually claiming you never posted,

$1:

Can you imagine the salaries of North American workers being decided by an Italian company.... This is revoltin'...!!!!!

?!?!?

Sorry, you're either a liar or flat-ass dumb. You've been both before, but let's see if you can actually admit you're full of it here. Just do it...

[stemmer]

Mustang1

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Can you imagine the salaries of North American workers being decided by an Italian company.... This is revoltin'...!!!!!

Yes..I'm quite aware I posted that... as it has been the complete thrust of my argument... But that's not what I was asking now is it....

Mustang1

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I guess if you want to dictate to foreign companies how they can conduct themselves in business matters, but hypocritically ignore it when its on American hands, then you're right, there is no sense in you continuing.

And where exactly did I post I thought it was OK for North Americans to dictate to foreign corporations... Once more I ask for a post where I said this....

[DrCaleb]

Can we make a new medal 'Denser than Lead?'

[herbie]

Reserve the medal for the people who thought of letting bean-counters buy a car company in the first place!

[Mustang1]

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Mustang1

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Can you imagine the salaries of North American workers being decided by an Italian company.... This is revoltin'...!!!!!

Yes..I'm quite aware I posted that... as it has been the complete thrust of my argument... But that's not what I was asking now is it....

Mustang1

$1:

I guess if you want to dictate to foreign companies how they can conduct themselves in business matters, but hypocritically ignore it when its on American hands, then you're right, there is no sense in you continuing.

And where exactly did I post I thought it was OK for North Americans to dictate to foreign corporations... Once more I ask for a post where I said this....

Here, current-events-f59/fiat-to-chrysler-cut-costs-or-we-walk-t74189-30.html and here current-events-f59/fiat-to-chrysler-cut-costs-or-we-walk-t74189-15.html

You drone on and on about sovereignty issues but you conveniently omitt in your "rationale" that many European/Foreign car manufacturers have been owned and controlled by American interests and yet, where is your condemnation of that? it smacks of hypocrisy and smells of xenophobia. Don't like it? I don't care.

[stemmer]

Boy are you thick....!!!!

I know damn well what I posted!!!!

I know Chrysler has owned Lamborghini. It's part of automotive history... I posted that tidbit...

But please post where I said I agreed with it... Please post where I said it was OK for North American corporations to dictate to overseas countries....

But since you are having a difficult time thinking for yourself, I'll spell it out for you....

The North American auto sector must be owned and operated by NA corporations and not under the control or influence of Asian or European corporations...

The European auto sector must be owned and operated by European corporations and not under the control or influence of Asian or NA corporations...

The Asian auto sector must be owned and operated by Asian corporations and not under the control or influence of European or NA corporations...

Why should any company outside of NA dictate what we pay our workers (or vice versa)? If we allow this to happen our standard of living will sink to the country that pays the least...

[SigPig]

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The North American auto sector must be owned and operated by NA corporations and not under the control or influence of Asian or European corporations...

The European auto sector must be owned and operated by European corporations and not under the control or influence of Asian or NA corporations...

The Asian auto sector must be owned and operated by Asian corporations and not under the control or influence of European or NA corporations...

Why should any company outside of NA dictate what we pay our workers (or vice versa)? If we allow this to happen our standard of living will sink to the country that pays the least...

It sounds like you are proposing isolationist policies here Stemmer. And last time I checked that was not what made for healthy economics.
And your fear of what non-NA companies will pay our workers and how they will be treated is unfounded. If it was such a problem why haven't GM and other companies that are foreign owned, started to pay our workers less and less. I highly doubt it is because they are so concerned for the well being of the Canadian worker. It is because there are laws and regulations as well as competition that prevent this from happening. If it hasn't happened already, its not going to happen now.

[stemmer]

No... but certain industries I consider a matter of national security. Automotive and energy being two...

I suppose if the USA told an Asian or European country what their corporation should pay their workers all of the left leaning media would be bashing the USA... But it's acceptable when it's vice versa...

[SigPig]

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No... but certain industries I consider a matter of national security. Automotive and energy being two...

I suppose if the USA told an Asian or European country what their corporation should pay their workers all of the left leaning media would be bashing the USA... But it's acceptable when it's vice versa...

Care to explain how the ability to manufacture SUVs is a national security matter?

And could you please detail how Fiat owning a MINORITY stake in Chrysler will change the well-being of Chrysler employees. Besides the obvious fact that they will get to actually keep their job when their company doesn't go under.

Plus you still haven't addressed my point of how the big 3 are all foreign owned but still treat workers ok up here in Canada, a foreign country.

[stemmer]

The Big Three are a North American company.... Granted YES they are American but Canada and USA are so closely intertwined they are near one economy...